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Birds this is degenerating.

In my defence. I have urged Leesh to seek a physio in both cases as primary. The advice is around providing Leesh with pain relief and comfort before she is able to get diagnosis and professional treatment. I am correct on the root cause of the issue but, being right isn't worth anything to me in this case. I only wish to help Leesh recover and prevent her from getting hurt. I will defer to the professional in every case , I am actually very pleased to be completely wrong if it means Leesh has a healthier back and shoulders.

If my input isn't appreciated and as you say is seen as ineffective and wrong, then I should take that as a cue to butt out. Which I now will. I don't want to cause un-necessary conflict and I mean no offence to you Birds, which it seems I have caused and do apologise for.

Just to get us on track again, here's a comparison of the weights Leesh started with at the beginning of this build thread (~3 months ago) versus some of her best weights in recent weeks. Despite injuries and setbacks (like not being able to perform deadlifts for 2 of those months), I think she has done fairly well for herself.

12/07/13 (59kg bw) vs 30/10/13 (57kg bw)

Deadlifts

40kg x 10

50kg x 10

50kg x 10

60kg x 10

60kg x 3

60kg x 10

70kg x 10

80kg x 10

90kg x 3

100kg x 1

Squats

20kg x 10

30kg x 10

30kg x 10

35kg x 10

40kg x 10

42.5kg x 10

45kg x 3 (failed on 4th)

35kg x 10

40kg x 10

45kg x 10

50kg x 5

50kg x 5

55kg x 5

60kg x 2

Flat Bench

25kg x10

30kg x10

30kg x10

35kg x 10

40kg x 1

25kg x 10

30kg x 10

35kg x 8

40kg x 4

45kg x 2

47.5kg x 1

Close Grip Lat Pulldown

30kg x 10

30kg x 10

40kg x 10

40kg x 10

50kg x 10

50kg x 10

55kg x 5

30kg x 10

40kg x 10

45kg x 10

50kg x 10

55kg x 10

60kg x 6

65kg x 3

Seated Row

25kg x 10

25kg x 10

30kg x 10

35kg x 10

40kg x 8

40kg x 8

30kg x 10

35kg x 10

40kg x 10

45kg x 10

50kg x 5

55kg x 5

Standing Shoulder Press

15kg x 10

15kg x 10

15kg x 10

15kg x 10

20kg x 7

20kg x 6

15kg x 10

15kg x 10

15kg x 10

20kg x 10

20kg x 8

25kg x 5

Bicep Curls

10kg x 10

10kg x 10

10kg x 10

10kg x 10

15kg x 10

15kg x 10

15kg x 10

15kg x 10

15kg x 10

20kg x 6

20kg x 5

20kg x 4

20kg x 4

Captains Chair Knee Raises

10

10

10

10

10

30

25

20

20

25

12/08/13

Flat Bench

25kg x 10

30kg x 10

35kg x 8

40kg x 4

45kg x 2

47.5kg x 1

Squats

30kg x 10

35kg x 10

40kg x 10

45kg x 10

50kg x 5

55kg x 1

Close Grip Lat Pulldown

30kg x 10

40kg x 10

50kg x 10

55kg x 10

60kg x 5

60kg x 4

60kg x 4

65kg x 1

Leg Press

60kg x 10

70kg x 10

80kg x 10

90kg x 10

100kg x 10

110kg x 10

115kg x 5

Incline Press

20kg x 10

20kg x 10

25kg x 10

clicking in shoulder - stopped

Tricep Pushdown (double pulley)

25kg x 10

30kg x 10

35kg x 10

37.5kg x 10

40kg x 10

became painful - stopped

Captains Chair Leg Raises

20

20

20

20

20

Knee Raises

20

12th August was 47.5kg bench press. I havent been close to that in months.

Dont know where you've got 30th October from

12th August is not recent weeks

but yes there are gains there because you're a good trainer

You're looking at a single exercise in the whole list. Every other PB has been completed in the last 2-3 weeks.

No, there are gains there because of you. I'm not lifting the weights, only guiding you in the limited capacity that I can. But your lack of confidence in yourself and inability to acknowledge such progress will have you on a fast downward slope in times like this where you need them most to pull you out of negativity.

No, there are gains there because of you. I'm not lifting the weights, only guiding you in the limited capacity that I can. But your lack of confidence in yourself and inability to acknowledge such progress will have you on a fast downward slope in times like this where you need them most to pull you out of negativity.

I'm sorry, I know I've been really negative about gym and I've frustrated you. I will change my attitude and be more positive and accepting of my progress

Update for those interested.

Physio is very concerned. Thorasic spine mainly T6, T7, T8 but also intervertebral joints are causing issues, which I didn't have last time. Also my right side is playing up but nowhere near as painful as left. (Left is injured side from last time)

Rib pain is referred pain mainly from T7 and T8.

Physio remarked she has never worked on someone so stiff before. Next week I need to take Nurofen before going because the facet joints are so stiff; it's very painful (and I'm not a wuss) and she's not working me hard enough to loosen things up very much.

Trying to work out why thorasic is damaged is her priority at the moment. Lumbar spine is very flexible so it's concerning that thorasic is so stiff/painful. My left rotation is basically half of what it should be.

She wants to me to take up my weights again from Monday and wants to see if I'm more/less stiff next week.

She's trying to work out if weights are hindering the problem; I've never been to a physio before weight training and I've been exercising for a long time. I don't want to give up weights but I don't want to go down the surgery path just yet either.

Edited by L33SH

Don't really have a choice as I can't lift my left arm above my head

thats nasty. Ice packs around the rotator & spine (bag of frozen peas in tea towel) for 30 min a time. As often as you can cope with. Just before bed especially. It doesn't feel nice but, will help inflamation. Or whatever the physio has reccomended.

You will get better.

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