Is This Real, Or A Chop?

[AxlOz]

Or you could always do a weekend trip in your V35 to Sydney...?

[n15m0]

If you are in Sydney then check out Nagoya Motors. I bought mine from there 6 yrs ago If you do a search you will see plenty of positive reviews about this dealer. Highly recommended.

[AxlOz]

If you are in Sydney then check out Nagoya Motors. I bought mine from there 6 yrs ago If you do a search you will see plenty of positive reviews about this dealer. Highly recommended.

Will check them out, thanks for the headsup!

And yes - I'm in Sydney.

[Nightcrawler]

I am actually driving it to the Temora 1000 in November

[dodgyimports]

I hate that about these cars...

So as I understand, the only way to find one with genuine kms is to get the de-reg papers from Japan - and then hope that it wasn't dodged before being auctioned!

This sort of caper actually really turns me off buying one at all..

The chances of the car having been woundback before the auction are pretty darn slim these days since the shaken law was introduced in Japan. I'm sure plenty of dealers like to continue to spread the myth that this is still common. Getting hold of de-reg papers is an extremely good way of protecting yourself against buying a windback. If a dealer won't even show you the original cert - assume the worst.

Some cars in particular to watch out for if you're buying a v35 coupe:

http://www.carsales.com.au/dealer/details/Nissan-Skyline-2003/AGC-AD-14019198/?Cr=14

http://www.carsales.com.au/dealer/details/Nissan-Skyline-2003/AGC-AD-13805725/?Cr=12

http://www.carsales.com.au/dealer/details/Nissan-Skyline-2003/AGC-AD-13973735/?Cr=5

lost a nice set of wheels on the way over

just in case you thought i forgot about Sydney dealers - well so many of the cars have been sitting on the lot for such a long time who knows what's happened to them? but since somebody already volunteered them - there is this v36 to remind us not to be complacent

http://www.carsales.com.au/dealer/details/Nissan-Skyline-2007/AGC-AD-13569125/?Cr=0

Best of luck.

Edited July 30, 2013 by dodgyimports

[Seano350GT]

oh shiiiiit ^^^^

how did you get hold of those de reg certs?

very good info that's for sure.

pretty shocking how they can sell a V36 done just over 100,000km and display it as 34,000. that's criminal.

[Nightcrawler]

Yep, pretty much EVERY Skyline on a lot (in Sydney in particular) has had the km would significantly back. Worst thing is, that you go out and buy a Skyline with 3x,xxxkm on the clock and don't do your 100k service for another 60-70,000km = not great for the car! Hence all of my comments above. Go on the condition of the car, NOT the km.

[Seano350GT]

it's a good point you make Andrew but sometimes people can actually do 100,000km and still have a mint car. Like for instance the red v36 above, grade 4 done 100,000 and it looks clean as. To the average person you'd probably believe that it's done 34,000km given the condition/age.

but i do understand what you mean when you check things like the seat bolsters, steering wheel and gear knob for instance it can give you a pretty good idea.

this shit of winding back km's has to stop.

[AxlOz]

Thats an amazingly useful post dodgyimports, thankyou!

Where did you get the de-reg papers?

I agree that the winding back just has to be policed somehow, it's just daylight robbery. Decent people like us who are genuineliy interested in these cars are just getting screwed..

So my rule is to sight the ORIGINAL de-reg papers and just compare the key info - condition rating, kms, and noted defects. Otherwise no deal.

[dodgyimports]

Where did you get the de-reg papers?

Just to clarify for everyone - what i've posted are auction sheets - NOT de-registration papers. These auction sheets are prepared by the auction house for the vehicle - hence they ONLY apply to vehicles that were bought at auction in Japan. Generally speaking they are publicly available. Dealers also regularly buy cars from other dealers in Japan that do not come via auction - hence no auction sheets are available for these cars. ALL cars that are exported from Japan however MUST be deregistered - hence dealers should always have de-reg papers for their stock.

Here is a good link about de-reg documents and how to read them: http://www.japantradecar.com/info/Fraud_Warning/Why_Is_Export_Certificate_Important.aspx

Edited July 31, 2013 by dodgyimports

[Nightcrawler]

FYI pretty much no car dealer will EVER show you the dereg. papers - they will claim black and blue there isn't one or they didn't get one with the car. Just the usual shonky tactics from local car dealers.

[AxlOz]

so japantradecar.com has this one for sale:

http://www.japantradecar.com/Used-Car/Nissan/Skyline/9138.aspx

at only $4,880 USD = ~ $5400AUD + all the importation and compliance costs.

If local dealers are importing at this price and selling for 15-18k they'd be making a killing!

[colin.ssc]

Compliance about $3500

Tyres another $1500

Shipping will be another $2-3k (?)

[Nightcrawler]

Plus dealers have to charge 1/11th GST that they have to give back to Government, then there is the chance that the vehicle gets lost/damaged at sea, you have to finance the purchase cost for 6-9 months while the car gets here/gets complied, there's a risk that the car will have rust or previous repairs that the compliance workshop finds and the car has to be destroyed etc, etc. It is not nearly as simple as just finding one and buying it out of Japan. And not nearly as cheap as it would seem.

[colin.ssc]

I prefer buying and importing it from Japanese auction...use Iron Chef or Prestige Motorsport...reliable, good advice and awesome service.

[Nightcrawler]

^^^ Yep, spot on the money. Both Kristian (whom I am personal friends with - he has hundreds of happy customers and favourable reviews) and Geoff (whom I bought my R34 through back in 2006) offer exceptional service and have been in the game a long time. It also pays that they have exceptional contacts in Jp to do personal inspections with hundreds of pictures - there is no better way to make sure you are not getting a lemon.

But of course the catch always is that you have to have the cash in your hand to wire to the seller in Jp as part of the process - you can't take out a loan against a car you are importing. You also can't insure the car until it is complied and registered - which is a risk. A guy at the end of my street brought in a Jp S15 and had it transported from the boat to his house (for him to stock it out) prior to him delivering it compliance - it was stolen that night from his garage and has never been seen since

[Genwuine]

so japantradecar.com has this one for sale:

http://www.japantradecar.com/Used-Car/Nissan/Skyline/9138.aspx

at only $4,880 USD = ~ $5400AUD + all the importation and compliance costs.

If local dealers are importing at this price and selling for 15-18k they'd be making a killing!

Not as simple as going to a website japantradecar and get a prefectly cheap car, look at the auction report for this car below (match the vin)

[AxlOz]

So the 'R' in the top right corner of that sheet indicates its a write off of some sort, correct?

Either way, I'm unlikely to import myself (through a broker of course), given the number of them available over here. I'll only head down that path if everything I find over here turns out to be dodgy. I'm flexible on colours and some features, so its more a question of finding a solid and 'honest' car.

[Nightcrawler]

R means accident repaired. And almost always it is then ineligible for Australian compliance under SEVS. If you bought that car from the importer and landed it here, they would make you either crush it, send it back to Japan, or you could keep it as a track car if you had a CAMS license and followed the appropriate steps.

[PN-Mad]

"R" is panel replaced. Not always accident damage, but can be indicative. Car with a body kit will have a R rating.

They can be imported and sold, check the "beware R34 gtr" thread in general discussions. Cars with Chassis damage however, should not be sold according to SEVS.

You can cover up chassis damage nd let unknowing punters drive away in an unsafe rusted chassis rail car.