Nsw Backflips On P-Plate Turbo Ban

[RiseofBrutality]

This law only affects me picking up lowies. From being the cool dude in a sports car to an old guy in mid life crisis. May have to go back to paying for sex rather than buying maccas drive through.

hahaha you always bring the lulz

[GoldZilla]

But maybe there's too much common sense in that?

And therein lies the problem...

[GoldZilla]

Alright, the whole reason that the rule changes were made was to provide better access to a range of newer, SAFER cars to the younger, inexperienced drivers we have on our roads.

Of course, this will also provide the same people access to turbocharged Silvias, Skylines, etc., but these are likely to be some of the same people who currently would buy one regardless of what the outgoing rules are.

With a whole heap of manufacturers turning to forced induction on increasingly smaller engined cars, the current rules banned P-platers from driving some of the safest cars on the road today.

Wanna buy a new VW Golf or Jetta? Every version of the new Golf and Jetta ranges is turbocharged, and hence, banned.

Wanna buy an older Saab? Up until Saab stopped manufacturing, every one of the cars they had for sale was turbocharged.

BMW 1-series hatch or 3-series sedan or Touring? Same thing.

Any Audi from the A1, A3, A4, A5 and A6 range? It's either turbocharged or a big V8. In fact, there's only one car in their whole current range that might meet the current criteria, and that's a V6 with 200kW.

An Opel Astra or Insignia, you ask? Nope, all are turbocharged.

New Volvo? Same deal.

Now, although a fair chunk of the cars listed above are out of the budgets of a whole bunch of us, the whole point is that these are some of the safest new (or newish) cars on the road. Budget permitting (obviously), wouldn't it be better to see inexperienced drivers in one of these cars? There are likely a whole bunch of rich mummies and daddies who couldn't buy these cars for their kids because they didn't meet the criteria.

[zebra]

They should all have to drive Volvos and SAABS

have the next generation of drivers doing 40 under the limit and hitting everything in the woolies carpark

[bored33]

Woolies carpark?

This aint tokyo drift

[BakemonoRicer]

Zeb,

The thought of a P plater getting behind the wheel of a Volvo really worries me.....

[BLKYLO]

Having an accident at 100 kph is the same regardless ofnwhether hou were under boost or not, so i say let themp platersnhave their turbo's. sure, i am one of the generation that missed out lol. Tey changed the laws four days before i got my ps

As others have said, they will just get defected. Yes driver education needs to be addressed, just look at the current blacks test. How the hell is statistics and a touch screen test a valid blacks test? Should be another diving test to see how you improved/didnt improve on your practical skills.

Defensive driving courses should be a legal requirement for owning a licence. I did one the day after i got my ps and it has saved me numerous times from bad conditions/other drivers.

So in summary, and itmight sound harsh, but until the government does what we have said, survival of the fittest. * shrug*

[Redline_GTR]

As previously stated this is being implemented so that P Platers can drive the NEW range of SAFER turbocharged cars. In saying that then why not keep the OLDER cars off limits such as what is in place now so they opt for these new VW's, Audis, BMW's and the sort.

Yes these are indeed safer and education and training will also help. Therefore all combined for safer driving.

Driving a 20+ year old car just cause you can will not help the issue of creating safer roads for the younger generation.

[niZmO_Man]

Number of Driver Fatalities Aged 17 to 20 Years

July 1996 - June 1997: 36

July 1997 - June 1998: 33

July 1998 - June 1999: 32

July 1999 - June 2000: 40

July 2000 - June 2001: 39

July 2001 - June 2002: 33

July 2002 - June 2003: 34

July 2003 - June 2004: 25

July 2004 - June 2005: 29

July 2005 - June 2006: 35

July 2006 - June 2007: 27

July 2007 - June 2008: 28

July 2008 - June 2009: 20

July 2009 - June 2010: 31

July 2010 - June 2011: 19

July 2011 - June 2012: 20

July 2012 - June 2013: 20

Average death has fallen by about 10? Not bad, still too high. I wonder how many Excels or MIrages packed with kids got smashed.

Power:weight limit is a lot better than a ban list lifted from Gran Turismo.

[BLKYLO]

Average death has fallen by about 10? Not bad, still too high. I wonder how many Excels or MIrages packed with kids got smashed.

Power:weight limit is a lot better than a ban list lifted from Gran Turismo.

As a side note, victoria has the toughest speed laws in the country, but the highest speed related fatalities every year. So whilst its unfortunate, you cant drag a horse to water, we will always have to accept the fact that some people just cant be told, and will kill someone/themselves in their driving career.

So turbo it up.

[Tonba]

Drivers with no experience are going to crash anything they steer, it is proper driver training and common sense that will prevent it, not so much the car.... The quality of driving from those with the nice fresh looking Red P plates is nothing short of a shit sandwhich! It really makes me wonder how and why they passed the test.

It doesnt matter what we say or do, this will always be an issue!

I both agree and disagree..

I believe the car DOES make a difference. The same as in the bike world a bike makes a huge difference.

The way the governement went about 'banning' all turbos/superchargers was daft. Power to Weight is the only real way to regulate it. And on that basis, form a list of restricted vehicles for everyone to follow.

Now dont get me wrong, I'm not emplying that low powered cars (old mirages/lancers/charades) are safter, far from it. I just believe that the regulation of higher powered cars could have been done ALOT smarter.

130kw/Tn means that a stock S15 (what are they, 147kW?) would be legal. That could be cool.

Edited August 9, 2013 by Tonba

[darksky34]

So in summary, and itmight sound harsh, but until the government does what we have said, survival of the fittest. * shrug*

survival of the fittest? But you forgot, unless the p plater (or whoever) crashes with inanimate objects, alone, more often than not they will have passengers and/or crash into other cars.

[mad082]

On the plus side, it will reduce the number of threads asking about pulling the turbo off a gtst and driving it around natro......

[BakemonoRicer]

Meh, I don't think it's a bad thing in all honesty.

The thing is.... 3 years worth of driving a slow NA nugget really doesn't prepare you much for turbo power, because lets face it, turbocharged FR's really are a completelyyyy different ballgame. For those people who have been anxiously waiting 3 years to get a turbo car chances are they'll end up doing the wrong thing anyway.

If p platers have to go through the appropriate driving training and such before driving a turbo car, I think it'll make them a better driver sooner.

That said, the newer ones are fairly watered down with all their electronic aids and so on, so I wouldn't be surprised if the government bans the older ones.

[zebra]

like crashing into a gutter and throwing your phone over a nissan dealership?

[levinboy]

[bored33]

WONT SOMEONE THINK OF THE PANEL GAPS!!!

[Al Despo]

They will change it back there will be too much backlash

[FordyR31]

We all saw it happen, turbo ban came in, some people just didn't care. How many turbo cars, especially WRX's did we see with P plates on still? I see/saw lots. The others just went out and bought more powerful (than 32s and 33 GTS-T) newer model XR6's and put an exhaust and pod on those, same/similar as Luke said. The main difference really is the temptation to modify and upgrade your turbo, fuel system etc being relatively cheap if you want it to be. The rule even back flipped on itself as you couldn't have a turbo car but you could have a turboed Suzuki Cappucino for example as it was under 1L capacity or something like that. It's a bunch of over paid people trying to be safe and in the end not really having getting it right first time. It's good that the number of fatal accidents have dropped. But what is the difference between me if I were on my P's, driving like a dick in a Barina or driving like a dick in a Skyline or Supra. Both are going to end badly sooner or later. Immature and inexperienced drivers are really to blame for making bad driving decisions. I'd rather drive next to a P plater in a 500hp car who is doing the right thing than some smack head 40 year old in a shitbox thrashing it around, cutting in and out of traffic etc, or even worse. A Mazda or Audi driver... *shudders*.

[4teecal]

Am I missing something here. All those low output turbos are able to be driven on an exemption. You don't need a special need for it. You own the car. you apply. you get the exemption. Nothing has really changed. apart from not having to carry a bit of paper