The Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution 10...

[funkymonkey]

apparently there were 4500 parts in a Evo that was different to its lancer sibling in 1999

[funkymonkey]

Oh and knore, not all skylines are performance based... ever Heard of an R33 Type J, its a 4 door RB20E powered beast. That's right, Single overhead cam engine. Its about as performance based as my mum's astina.

[rb26dett]

Hey Rezz or Evo_Lee i thought the Evo was not going to be based on the Lancer anymore? I heard that they were going to end with the Evo 8 and base the future Evo on the colt?

[Rezz]

Hey Rezz or Evo_Lee i thought the Evo was not going to be based on the Lancer anymore? I heard that they were going to end with the Evo 8 and base the future Evo on the colt?

Mmmmm, I don't think so...

I know abput the speculation that the Colt was going to replace the Lancer as the WRC car, but I don't think thats going to be the end of the Lancer Evolution... Troy? Any more info on this???

[Rezz]

apparently there were 4500 parts in a Evo that was different to its lancer sibling in 1999

You're really starting to shit me Funky... :D

[Rezz]

My against for the EVO is simply the fact it looks too similar to a normal lancer, which in no way is a performance car anyway...

...which makes me wonder, how can you say that the Evo is any less a performance car (compared to entry level Lancers) than a GT-R (compared to entry level Skylines)??? Come again? Take the flared guards, transmission, engine and wheel brake combo off an Evo, and you have an entry level Lancer... take the flared guards, transmission, engine and wheel/brake combo off a GT-R and you have an entry level Skyline...

[Demon Dave]

Well said Justin

[funkymonkey]

You're really starting to shit me Funky... :D:D

hey wut I do?

[Rezz]

hey wut I do?

Mmmmm... you got a glowing username, a donation star AND 2,500 points...

No, no, no. Just playin around mate... same with the "Is Funky and Sock the same person?" thing...:wassup:

[funkymonkey]

will you quit with the sock thing...

if you must know I've got all the things you can buy and now I've got points cumulating with nothing to do.

hey rezz, if i scan in some maps of tuning shops/retailers from this REVSpeed2 mag that I've got, can you translate em? I'm not in the translating mood right now lol

[Rezz]

if you must know I've got all the things you can buy and now I've got points cumulating with nothing to do.

Whore...

I'm not in the translating mood right now lol

Me neither (it my day off), but send em/link em anyways and I'll see what I can do.

[predator]

ok, i wade into the EVO vs Stock Lancer..

no they are total worlds apart.. but personally not a fan.

I know they go like stink, handle like stink and meant to make a rex look a bit like a kids car, but that still doesn't hide the fact *to me at least* they look just like an over the top generic lancer. And that interior, apart from the seats and a few nicer trimmings (at least on the EVO VI's and EVO IV's and things I've seen around) you wouldn't say "oh wow" when you look inside.

I guess that defines part of their heritage as "all go", "less show".

Guess I'm not a massive fan of the more compact sports. And I love a sexy looking interior as well as exterior.

But yeah, meant to be great cars - can't argue with that!

[knore]

entire range??

read up on motorsport history(pre-WRC) and you'll know why the Evolution had to be based on a "mass production" car.

that goes for the GT-R too.....

funny how no one is comparing the WRC Focus rally car to their road-going versions...

Every car when its first thought up and designed, weather its a brand new model or a changed existing model, always has an underlying reason for development.

It can be cheap everyday car, luxury car, performance etc

What i was saying is that Skylines purpose was mainly focused on performance.

Yes the GTR and EVO are performance bred. But im saying again that the EVO is too much like a normal lancer to really stand out for me.

Entry level skyline?

The different between GTSt and GTR isnt like comparing a lancer with an EVO, Because a lancer is not performance orientated AT ALL, Gtst on the other hand is.

Even the DE models have atleast a straight 6 and rear wheel drive.

The normal lancer couldnt be further from the EVO.

So saying a GTR is just a riced up GTSt is stupid, cos a GTSt isnt rice in the first place, a normal lancer is.

And the Skyline is not mass produced

My point? Well how about the fact that the ratio of lancers to skylines here is about 1000:1, and that would be about the ratio of people that could tell the difference between a lancer and evo aswell.

Ofcourse there is heaps of skyines in japan, just like there is heaps of commodores in australia. But were talking about australia here..

 

I wonder who told you the Lancer was a performance car, did the little ricer lancer boy tell you that and you believed him. Why would a normal car need to cost that much if it was the 4G93 GSR then you'll find they are in a similar price markup. What's interesting is how you find every Skyline is performance bred...seriously I wonder where you get your information! Because of the GT-R or because they also come with a Turbo engine...alot of cars come with different engines doesn't make them performance bred.

The GT-R and the Evo are completely different to their family model line up. Both were purposely built for competition. I'd even say the difference is greater between the Evo and Lancers today then the GT-R and Skylines.

Yes man, the little ricer lancer boy told me

And lancer will always have the little ricer boy problem, even if you have an EVO, 99 out of 100 people will look and go pff another lancer.

If you look way back into Skylines history when it was invented by the price motor company, their focus even if clouded back then, was always performance.

Thus why i think EVOs arent that popular compared to GTRs or MKIV Supras, because people associate them to the normal lancer which just doesnt stand out compared to the competition. Common, u put a GLX lancer next to an evo, yeh they are a little different, but considering they are TOTALLY different cars underneath... They both look way too similar.

The sheer number of EVOs would annoy me if i owned one, i mean there already up to 10!! its like final fantasy! Buy an EVO 10 and 2 years later EVO 11 comes out.

This was always going to be silly from the start, you obviously love Evos, and i love GTRs, thats why im here

They both mad cars, and if the EVO body was different ide have nothing against it.

I think after 10 EVOs they could have designed something that looks better and is totally different to the other, theyve just altered the look a little and bang a new one.

 

ok, i wade into the EVO vs Stock Lancer..  

no they are total worlds apart.. but personally not a fan.  

I know they go like stink, handle like stink and meant to make a rex look a bit like a kids car, but that still doesn't hide the fact *to me at least* they look just like an over the top generic lancer. And that interior, apart from the seats and a few nicer trimmings (at least on the EVO VI's and EVO IV's and things I've seen around) you wouldn't say "oh wow".

I guess that defines part of their heritage as "all go", "less show".  

Guess I'm not a massive fan of the more compact sports. And I love a sexy looking interior as well as exterior.  

But yeah, meant to be great cars - can't argue with that!

yeh thats exacly what im saying. Even the base base base model skyline still looks alrite. I just cant stand the lancer look, too many dickheads own them everywhere. The EVO just doesnt have the body to match its performance.

[Evo_Lee]

Justin can I play a bit more, we still another who is not convinced.

but that still doesn't hide the fact *to me at least* they look just like an over the top generic lancer.

And which fact is that?

Let's break it down nice and simple. Regardless of styling generations, ignore all other models in the Lancer lineup except for the base spec and the Evo and we shall do the same with the Skyline lineup with a base spec and the GT-R. Have all 4 cars parked side by side. As Justin said strip all the cars of all the parts such as bodykit, engine, brakes/wheels etc etc...tell me the difference between the same respective models?...imagine if you like...

I can tell you I've seen both a GT-R and Evo completely stripped at the wreaker sitting next to their lesser sibling. For the GT-R and Evo you could said the difference is rather negligible or a lot depending on what aspect your focusing on.

[Rezz]

What i was saying is that Skylines purpose was mainly focused on performance...

Lets take an R33 2.0 GTS...

For want of a better comparison car, this is like the Ford Falcon of the R33 Skyline range... but more high tech Mainly focused on performance?

Entry level skyline?

The different between GTSt and GTR isnt like comparing a lancer with an EVO, Because a lancer is not performance orientated AT ALL, Gtst on the other hand is.

The GTST is not the "entry-level" Skyline... see above. I think you've taken some people out of context.

So lets break it down:

Compare *an R33 Skyline 2000 GTS* (with fully functional RB20E single cam!) with an R33 GT-R...

...and a AUDM (Australian domestic market;)) CE Lancer GLi whatever to a Lancer Evolution V... gettit?

So saying a GTR is just a riced up GTSt is stupid, cos a GTSt isnt rice in the first place, a normal lancer is.

Same shit, different manufacturer. The Evolution 5 and up Lancers are as hardcore as a GT-R, so saying they look like riced up Lancer GLi's just sounds childish. Also, saying a normal Lancer GLi is "Rice" is a bit strange?

Btw, no one said a GT-R is just a riced up GTST...

[Evo_Lee]

Edit: Rezz beat me to a few answers...

Entry level skyline?

The different between GTSt and GTR isnt like comparing a lancer with an EVO, Because a lancer is not performance orientated AT ALL, Gtst on the other hand is.

Even the DE models have atleast a straight 6 and rear wheel drive.

The normal lancer couldnt be further from the EVO.

So saying a GTR is just a riced up GTSt is stupid, cos a GTSt isnt rice in the first place, a normal lancer is.

God your stupid...your comparing a GTSt to a base model Lancer and not a RB20DE Skyline or a CA18DE for that matter.

My point? Well how about the fact that the ratio of lancers to skylines here is about 1000:1, and that would be about the ratio of people that could tell the difference between a lancer and evo aswell.

Ofcourse there is heaps of skyines in japan, just like there is heaps of commodores in australia. But were talking about australia here..

Pfff...try again??? you sure you want to know how good the average person can tell between any car model.

Yes man, the little ricer lancer boy told me  

And lancer will always have the little ricer boy problem, even if you have an EVO, 99 out of 100 people will look and go pff another lancer.

As an enthusiast I seriously feel sorry that you can’t tell the difference between a real Evo and a normal Lancer, and you think the Skyline never had a ricer boy problem…go back 10-15 years ago and I will tell you how many Skylines had GT-R badges. But I'll bet if the Skylines was available outside Japan that every Tom, Dick and Harry even in IRAQ would be driving a Skyline GT-R lookalike.

If you look way back into Skylines history when it was invented by the price motor company, their focus even if clouded back then, was always performance.

Thus why i think EVOs arent that popular compared to GTRs or MKIV Supras, because people associate them to the normal lancer which just doesnt stand out compared to the competition. Common, u put a GLX lancer next to an evo, yeh they are a little different, but considering they are TOTALLY different cars underneath... They both look way too similar.

Do tell me which parts is similar and if you can't go beyond the visual aspects I doubt you could tell me the difference between Skylines as well.

The sheer number of EVOs would annoy me if i owned one, i mean there already up to 10!! its like final fantasy! Buy an EVO 10 and 2 years later EVO 11 comes out.

This was always going to be silly from the start, you obviously love Evos, and i love GTRs, thats why im here

Your more stupid then I thought, do you know what competition class the Evos run in?

And how do you know I don't like GT-Rs, I'll bet I've driven and tinkered with more GT-Rs then you can get your hands on. Oh but don’t say because I’m in Japan so it doesn’t count.

yeh thats exacly what im saying. Even the base base base model skyline still looks alrite. I just cant stand the lancer look, too many dickheads own them everywhere. The EVO just doesnt have the body to match its performance.

I'm not even going to bother...do yourself a favour and study about chassis design then tell me how strong the Evo chassis is to a normal Lancer. Oh by body you mean styling, I forgot your knowledge on cars doesn't surpass visual appearances.

[Kutter]

Every car when its first thought up and designed, weather its a brand new model or a changed existing model, always has an underlying reason for development.

Duh.......

What i was saying is that Skylines purpose was mainly focused on performance.

correction, the Skylines' purpose was mainly focused for the GT-R. But of course Nissan would go broke if they only sold GT-Rs, so what better than to capitalise on the GT-R legend? Thus created a whole heap of variations from the DE's to the DET's, 4-doors/2-doors, this and that...anniversary specials etc etc. Pretty much the same with all the other manufacturers, most have the top-spec performance model followed by the usually piss-weak similar styled models. You want a car japanese that even the base model can kick-ass? Try the NSX.

Entry level skyline? The different between GTSt and GTR isnt like comparing a lancer with an EVO

you're right, try comparing the 4-door GTS to the GT-R......wanna run that by me again?

So saying a GTR is just a riced up GTSt is stupid, cos a GTSt isnt rice in the first place, a normal lancer is.

Now what suddenly makes a 'normal' lancer rice?

Even the base base base model skyline still looks alrite. I just cant stand the lancer look, too many dickheads own them everywhere.

same with both cars, the GT-R is what made the Skyline...well a Skyline. And the reason why so many "dickheads" rice up their lancers is due to the Evolution's success. I've had my fair share of witnessing GTSTs dressed up as GT-Rs(complete with badging on the boot too!)

[Rezz]

Is it just me... or did Evo_Lee, Kutter and me all just post the exactly the same post in succession???

I posted first, so you guys copied me, nyah, nyah, nyee-nyah, nyaaaah!

[Kutter]

A little extract of the Evolution's early history....

Until 1990, the Mitsubishi Ralliart works team had been competing in the World Rally Championship with the Galant VR-4. In order to increase its firepower and become more competitive, the company decided to develop a rally machine based on the more compact and lighter Lancer sedan.

The production Lancer provided the ideal packaging for high-speed WRC rally stages: its stiff and strong 4-door body sitting on a relatively long wheelbase to provide a spacious and comfortable interior. Most of the machines competing in WRC events at the time were classed in Group A under FIA regulations. To qualify for Group A classification, at least 2500 units of the base production model had to be built a year, no major changes were allowed to the exterior of the production model, and the engine and suspension were subject to stringent and detailed regulations. It goes without saying, therefore, that the base model held the key to the success in this highly competitive category.

The first Lancer Evolution was the actual homologation model, created to be more competitive and incorporating the wealth of know-how that Mitsubishi rally teams had accumulated over years of successful participation in rallies the world over. Developed to win in the WRC, Evolution I was distinguished chiefly by its power unit. The production Lancer series had for some time offered models powered by a 1.8-litre intercooler-turbocharged engine. Evolution I, however, inherited the 2-litre 4G63-type in-line 4-cylinder DOHC intercooler-turbocharged plant that had powered the Galant VR4 to success in the WRC.

PS: Rezz, you didn't beat me to it, I just took too damn long trying to format my posts.... :headspin:

[predator]

And which fact is that?

That i don't like them much based on looks.. and would only buy purely if all I wanted was an outright performance car at the expense of most other things.

Just don't like them.. never liked the shape of lancer's, or most of the other mitsu's. Then again i'm sure plenty don't like the skyline shapes.

Anyhow, isn't number X already past the "EVO" lancer.. weren't mitsu going to move the EVO name after about IX onto another chasis to be more suited to the current rally regulations - hence the death of the "Lancer EVO" ?? I've read this a few places. Was it just a rumour?