Formula One 2014

[dori34]

if only massa took out Vettel as well..

[djr81]

Some good news on a sad day.

Mr Westacott revealed from next year, the Australian Grand Prix's trophy will be re-named.

"Australian and international drivers alike can aspire to win the Sir Jack Brabham Trophy," Mr Westacott said.

[Missileman]

lets hope its a trophy fitting of such a great man, and not one of those silly looking cat dishes

[mad082]

I wouldn't say that dan had a small window when it came to passing perez. He was stuck behind him for ages after the last pit stop. For a few laps it looked like he had more chance to get overtaken by Vettel more than get passed perez. Had Dan been able to get passed sooner then Vettel would've gotten second instead of third. I was actually kind of cheering Vettel on for once in that race (after Dan).

It would've been nice to see Mercedes being beaten in full on racing rather than just limping around for the second half of the race waiting (and waiting and waiting) for the rest to catch up and pass them.

[89CAL]

Yeah it is rather depressing that mercedes had such a disadvantage for near half the race and Dan still only just beat them. Albeit Perez held them up an awful lot, its still quite impressive how fast that mercedes must be around those corners as well as the straights (when the power unit is working)

[hrd-hr30]

if only massa took out Vettel as well..

yeah, massa's fault!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUEbC1bf2sc

Edited June 11, 2014 by hrd-hr30

[djr81]

lets hope its a trophy fitting of such a great man, and not one of those silly looking cat dishes

The trophies (Or the first place one) are, if memory serves, based on the steering wheel in one of the Coopers Brabham drove. Youll see the thin wooden trim around the outside. Not sure if the diameter is right but it may be.

So they are atleast ok in their inspiration if maybe not so much in their execution. Still there are plenty of more shit ones at the various races.

[djr81]

I wouldn't say that dan had a small window when it came to passing perez. He was stuck behind him for ages after the last pit stop. For a few laps it looked like he had more chance to get overtaken by Vettel more than get passed perez. Had Dan been able to get passed sooner then Vettel would've gotten second instead of third. I was actually kind of cheering Vettel on for once in that race (after Dan).

It would've been nice to see Mercedes being beaten in full on racing rather than just limping around for the second half of the race waiting (and waiting and waiting) for the rest to catch up and pass them.

There doesnt appear to be any numbers for the race but looking at the trap speeds in quali:

Pos No Driver Time of Day Speed

1 11 Sergio Perez 13:05:19 337.7

2 19 Felipe Massa 13:28:15 337.5

3 77 Valtteri Bottas 13:27:53 335.6

4 44 Lewis Hamilton 13:53:28 334.0

5 6 Nico Rosberg 13:05:40 333.6

6 27 Nico Hulkenberg 13:27:50 333.4

7 26 Daniil Kvyat 13:30:55 332.0

8 25 Jean-Eric Vergne 13:31:08 331.7

9 20 Kevin Magnussen 13:05:49 331.5

10 22 Jenson Button 13:06:47 330.3

11 4 Max Chilton 13:06:41 328.7

12 7 Kimi Räikkönen 13:29:55 328.4

13 8 Romain Grosjean 13:31:25 328.3

14 14 Fernando Alonso 13:29:58 327.7

15 99 Adrian Sutil 13:05:31 326.4

16 3 Daniel Ricciardo 14:00:20 326.4

17 17 Jules Bianchi 13:08:37 325.9

18 1 Sebastian Vettel 13:31:04 325.1

19 9 Marcus Ericsson 13:04:50 323.5

20 10 Kamui Kobayashi 13:08:01 322.7

21 13 Pastor Maldonado 13:05:01 321.2

Yet again the RedBulls were near on the slowest and anything with MB power was up the front. Chico fastest of all. The DRS can only do so much. Dan only got past Perez when he started to have brake problems which meant he only had a small window to get it done and get after Britney. Had he not got either move done when he did it would have been p2 at best.

Edited June 12, 2014 by djr81

[25GTT]

So, my question is, does red bull have the tech (and money) to be able to get backup to mercedes speed prior to the end of the season? or will that tech be copied in the off season in time for next year?

[djr81]

Well it is generally regarded as being a Renault issue more so than a RedBull issue. So I am going to go with no. That is based on the restrictions placed on the engine manufacturers as much as anything. Hoping Renault get their sh!t together for 2015. And Honda too, come to that.

[89CAL]

RBR Mercedes, Dan world champion.

STR's are still Renault arent they? they are by far the 'fastest' Renault powered cars, but they didnt have the best run in Canada so maybe it was all down to a lower downforce setup

[Aggroman]

STR are ferrari power units

[djr81]

Nah not anymore. They used to be but now they have Renault motors.

Cant figure out why the RedBull's dont pretend their engines are Infiniti's by the way.

[89CAL]

RBR Nissan?

[89CAL]

yeah, massa's fault!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUEbC1bf2sc

To me it looks a bit 50/50. But honestly Massa had plenty of room, Perez was entitled to have a look up the inside of Vettel. Both turned towards each other a bit but to me Massa turned in harder

[89CAL]

Double post

Edited June 13, 2014 by 89CAL

[wolverine]

Massa was expecting Perez to follow the same line as Vettel by the look of it.

[hrd-hr30]

yeah, the racing line... you are not allowed to change your line when someone has an overlap, that's the rule! Even if it just their front wing that overlaps. In this case is was wheel to wheel contact.

Perez does not have any entitlement to look up the inside of Vettel if there is another car already beside him - which clearly there was.

You can't go around swerving at a guy who has an overlap in a 300kph braking zone.

Bu tthat's not what Vettel was doing anyway - Vettel was 2.5-3 car lengths up the road and Perez was nursing rear brakes at the time!

Edited June 14, 2014 by hrd-hr30

[Kinks]

racing incident. they were both clumsy and turned into each other.

[mad082]

So, my question is, does red bull have the tech (and money) to be able to get backup to mercedes speed prior to the end of the season? or will that tech be copied in the off season in time for next year?

They have the money, yes, but given that no performance changes are allowed to be made to the engines, only "reliability" changes. So we won't see changes to their pace till next season. Even then they can't make massive changes.

As for rbr vs str, I'd say that aero package and chassis, and possibly even gear ratios, are the reason for the speed difference.