nicksamaniac Posted January 2, 2014 Share Posted January 2, 2014 Has anyone seen this on an rb before? Mine has randomly let go between cylinders 3-4, oil is clean and pressure is spot on, not running hot at all, coolant is clean. It just started running All of a sudden really rough, and after a comp test, cyl 3 and 4 have nothing, sooty plugs and that's it, every thing else seems fine. Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/437035-rb30det-head-gasket-blown-between-cylinders/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon-S14 Posted January 2, 2014 Share Posted January 2, 2014 Could be several things. Head not flat Deck not flat Head bolt not torqued correctly Detonation Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/437035-rb30det-head-gasket-blown-between-cylinders/#findComment-7158694 Share on other sites More sharing options...
533 RYC Posted January 2, 2014 Share Posted January 2, 2014 Anythings possible. how much boost does it put up with? My wifes Cube decided to not start one morning. popped between 1 & 2. Both cylinders were a perfect 82psi. Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/437035-rb30det-head-gasket-blown-between-cylinders/#findComment-7158712 Share on other sites More sharing options...
battery Posted January 2, 2014 Share Posted January 2, 2014 Pulled down my old rb20 the other day for a look. I had milkshake coolant from this though. Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/437035-rb30det-head-gasket-blown-between-cylinders/#findComment-7158815 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTRPSI Posted January 2, 2014 Share Posted January 2, 2014 (edited) Sounds like the seal between 3 and 4 is compromised, there will be no water or oil mixing issues, simply no compression if dead on right between the cylinders. Good way to check is pull a spark plug out of one of the 2 failed cylinders, leave the other one in the other failed cylinder, turn over the engine by hand, when the cylinder that failed with the sparkplug fitted is in the compression stroke you will hear a hissing into the cylinder without the spark plug. Same will happen if you swap the sparkplugs the other way around, whichever cylinder is going into compression with the spark plug fitted will leak out into the failed cylinder next to it without the spark plug. Edited January 2, 2014 by GTRPSI Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/437035-rb30det-head-gasket-blown-between-cylinders/#findComment-7158820 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicksamaniac Posted January 2, 2014 Author Share Posted January 2, 2014 (edited) Only runs up to 8psi, standard r33 tune. Standard timing, it is an rb30/25 running the stock 370cc injectors and ecu, afr's are spot on at 14.7 @ cruise and up to 11.7 @ full boost, Components look flat under a straight edge but may have to look closer with feeler gauges, maybe get some bits milled/surfaced. Might be an excuse to build a full angry engine! Edited January 2, 2014 by nicksamaniac Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/437035-rb30det-head-gasket-blown-between-cylinders/#findComment-7158862 Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke gtr Posted January 2, 2014 Share Posted January 2, 2014 youre running the 2.5 tune on a 3l? Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/437035-rb30det-head-gasket-blown-between-cylinders/#findComment-7158865 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicksamaniac Posted January 2, 2014 Author Share Posted January 2, 2014 Sure am, even had it on the Dyno to check it! The afm goes over 5v at around 11psi boost, it's at 4.89v at 8psi, so that's as hard as I can run it. I have a set of sard 700cc injectors but am waiting/saving for a power fc. People say it can't be done but if you think about it it's the same as winding up boost on a stock 25. Its only 500cc or 500ml capacity Extra. Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/437035-rb30det-head-gasket-blown-between-cylinders/#findComment-7158889 Share on other sites More sharing options...
discopotato03 Posted January 2, 2014 Share Posted January 2, 2014 Best to start with flat square machined surfaces to give the fire rings the best chance of sealing . I reckon an OE or better spec gasket too and if the head and block are down maybe studs and nuts instead of bolts ? A . Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/437035-rb30det-head-gasket-blown-between-cylinders/#findComment-7158945 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon-S14 Posted January 2, 2014 Share Posted January 2, 2014 Lol that's the craziest thing I've heard. just Because it runs Ok at 8psi on the dyno doesn't mean that in the real world it might not boost spike and max your afm out and cause detonation. Which is exactly what's happened. 500cc more is a biy more then winding the boost up. The comp ratio has changed. The airflow characteristics have changed all throughout the load and rev range. It's never going to work safely on a stock 33 ecu. Do yourself a favor and get the head checked. Gasket replaced and put a tunable ecu in it Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/437035-rb30det-head-gasket-blown-between-cylinders/#findComment-7158958 Share on other sites More sharing options...
75coupe Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 School holidays surely Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/437035-rb30det-head-gasket-blown-between-cylinders/#findComment-7159028 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicksamaniac Posted January 3, 2014 Author Share Posted January 3, 2014 Boost spike? With a 4 psi spring in a 50mm gate, bleeding off to get a MAX of 8 psi, with the boost controller at full bleed. Funny how I've been driving on this setup for 22000km. I actually have an answer now, head is not flat, out of spec over the length, explains why it went between 3-4. Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/437035-rb30det-head-gasket-blown-between-cylinders/#findComment-7159473 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTSBoy Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 Lol that's the craziest thing I've heard. just Because it runs Ok at 8psi on the dyno doesn't mean that in the real world it might not boost spike and max your afm out and cause detonation. Which is exactly what's happened. 500cc more is a biy more then winding the boost up. The comp ratio has changed. The airflow characteristics have changed all throughout the load and rev range. It's never going to work safely on a stock 33 ecu. Do yourself a favor and get the head checked. Gasket replaced and put a tunable ecu in it Actually, it's not all as silly as it sounds. The load is measured by the AFM, so the fuelling will be correct at pretty much all points, and where it is wrong, it will be richer than the original fuelling in the 25, so safer (if more wrong!). The timing will probably stil be OK, as the RB25/30 doesn't usually end up with more compression. I'm not saying it's a great idea, but the ECU at least is able to do it. If it was an olde schoole MAP sensored ECU, then you'd have good reason to call foul. Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/437035-rb30det-head-gasket-blown-between-cylinders/#findComment-7159491 Share on other sites More sharing options...
533 RYC Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 ^ +1. The capacity increase VS the amount of boost these engines can put up with COULD allow it to run safely. The fact that the afr's have been checked should confirm the state of tune is sufficient to support the load/demand of the setup. Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/437035-rb30det-head-gasket-blown-between-cylinders/#findComment-7159533 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben C34 Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 A bit unlucky it let go. Good on ya for chucking it together and having a go. To many people spend too long thinking about stuff and not enough time doing it and seeing what happens. 1 Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/437035-rb30det-head-gasket-blown-between-cylinders/#findComment-7159577 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicksamaniac Posted January 3, 2014 Author Share Posted January 3, 2014 Thanks for the positive reply, most forums only dish out negative stuff and false tech info. At least I'm doing my own r&d (so to speak) if it doesn't work, at least it's only made/built from spare/leftover parts around the shed and hasn't cost $thousands in the first place. Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/437035-rb30det-head-gasket-blown-between-cylinders/#findComment-7159846 Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevenCJR31 Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 What you need to find out now is WHY the head is no longer flat? What caused it to do that? Detonation? Overheating? Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/437035-rb30det-head-gasket-blown-between-cylinders/#findComment-7159860 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicksamaniac Posted January 4, 2014 Author Share Posted January 4, 2014 (edited) Probably was always out of spec, it was just removed from a stock n/a rb25 (r32/cefiro) and bolted straight onto an untouched r31 rb30 bottom end. Using a cheap fiber head gasket. Probably was a good thing I had a nasty gasket as aposed to a mls-r, it probably would of done head/block damage in the long run instead of chewing out the gasket. I'll get it milled, fit some better valve springs (bin the non turbo ones) and screw it down with a good gasket. Edited January 4, 2014 by nicksamaniac Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/437035-rb30det-head-gasket-blown-between-cylinders/#findComment-7160114 Share on other sites More sharing options...
533 RYC Posted January 4, 2014 Share Posted January 4, 2014 got any pics of the gasket &/or head where the leak occurred? I build large stationary turbo engines - I see quite a few failures - mechanical mayhem is a big favourite of mine! Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/437035-rb30det-head-gasket-blown-between-cylinders/#findComment-7160137 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griffin Posted January 4, 2014 Share Posted January 4, 2014 Don't listen to the knockers. I fitted a turbo to an efi patrol. AFRs were fine up to 6 psi. Like has been said let the AFM do the work for u. Horses for courses.... Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/437035-rb30det-head-gasket-blown-between-cylinders/#findComment-7160181 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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