Start ya bastard (SYB)

[MANWHOR3]

This all started out as a bit of a joke with a mate who owns an r33 gtst auto. He had just brought a can of start ya bastard back from starting his boat motor, and after reading the can, we noticed the contents.

Upon looking at the contents, he came to the conclussion that it gives a nice increase iin power, which is perfectly safe. That is, when used according to a few guidlines:

Due to the nature of the substance, exhaust temperatures increased greatly, and therefore should only be used for a short period, such as during a run. Afterwards, the engine must be cooled for a short while. no different to the way you use NOS. Using an exhaust temperature probe, temps returned back to normal within a matter of seconds (approx 5 secs).

The method used in testing was to use a regulator valve connected to the top of the can. A hose was connected to the valve and ran through the firewall and into the air intake. Therefore it is controlled from inside the car. The power increase has been confirmed because while accelerating at max in third gear, as soon as the valve is switched on, the wheels start to spin. As his car is auto, the 1/4 times are pretty consistent, and we have yet to have detirmined the difference on the strip.

the main power in the product comes from ether (higher flammability and octane energy content than fuel). another reason which led him to believe that it is safe, is the fact that it is actually supposed to be used in cars.

We are going to test this further, but have gone through more than 5 cans without any adverse effect. For around $20 a can plus $50 for the regulator (it was just lying around), this seems to be a cheap performance boost to improve 1/4 mile times. Can anyone please comment if they've ever tried it, or know of anything wrong with this setup. That is, other than a fire starting outside the car, because he is really careful to only fire it up when the car is sucking. BTW, car is running stock intercooler, stock turbine @ 14 psi.

[MANWHOR3]

What we have done is testing this ourselves, at our own risk. Please do not try this yourselves anyone because we have not fully tested the effect of the substance. if we damage the car, that is fine, as we have already assessed the risk of this. If anyone does try it and hurts themselves/others or their car, don't blame us.

[cul202]

shyte!

those SYB style things are basically raw ether in a can. be carefull with that volitile idea...

watched a (none too bright) guy on a orchard blow an old single cyl motor apart, & i mean apart, by adding a touch to much in to start it.

[Merli]

This sound like a very very VERY dangerous way of getting a few more kw.

[MANWHOR3]

I am aware of the dangers involved, but i feel that if used properly, it can be safe. The manual method used in testing is only temporary, and if succesful, he will be looking into making an electronically controlled system.

The amazing thing is, there has been no misfiring or detonation or any other problems. the way it has been used, is basically a very mild spray. Not just crazily pumping the intake full of the stuff. Using the pressure regulator, initially, he just tried opening it a bit, then a bit more, then a bit more marking how far it was turned.

I believe the next step would be to use an electronic regulator connected to the current setup. The method of attaching to the can may have to be looked into, or possibly even compressing it into another more permanent can. The connector used was similar to those used in gas lanterns. It just clamps onto the feet around the top. It does not leak either.

So far, it is looking to cost around $100 to make the electronic regulator. If this works out, it should spray when a button is pressed, and then the can can be kept up front, out of the cabin making it safer. hopefully this will work, and it does seem to generate quite a signigicant amount of power, without any visible side effects. The motor he is using has travelled 180000kms. there are no problems, however it will prob be on its way out soon, and he has plans for an rb30 rebuild, so he's not too fuss about destroying it. But everything is looking good at this stage, for a homemade NOS kit for around $150

[KamikazeR33]

just hire a few flintstones to help push down the 1/4, much safer idea

[MANWHORE]

interesting. Have you run a dyno test to see the gain in rwkw?

[KamikazeR33]

with flinstones?

[strutto]

interesting. Have you run a dyno test to see the gain in rwkw?

Have you done a dyno run to see the AFR's?

You crazy... :headspin:

[FLYGTR]

just hire a few flintstones to help push down the 1/4, much safer idea

While comments are appreciated i dont see how that is constructive to this discussion .

Even though i will NEVER attempt this on a car i owned i am interested to see how the car goes , wether its quicker , makes power or in fact hangs a rod! to some poeple this might seem a stupid way of making power but i can see the fun in it.

ac

[MANWHORE]

:slap:

it's definitely very interesting. We only achieve great things by trying. Very recently, all these gtsts have been pulling into the 13s and 12s on standard turbos, and even the 11s with nos.

MANWHOR3 mate, you're a top bloke for trying.

I hope you just be very very careful, and that your friend does not hurt himself.

[GTRgeoff]

I see no issue with someone assessing the risks and getting on with something new. I myself tried out oxygen injection with an extra injector and water injection on my laser lynx dropping the 0-100 from 9.8 to 7 seconds flat with no other mods. Imagine the surprise on the faces of '95 V8 commonwhore owners.

Great stuff, and proceed with caution. I found that the in cylinder pressures inceased dramatically as an impulse rather than a full pressure curve (I used in cylinder pressure transducers and data logger) but the car is still going fine even though i did burn out a couple of plugs due to poor mixing of the oxygen initially.

[funkymonkey]

I'll be following this thread closely as its very similar to my ideas about nitromethane (again another alcohol which I had theories about mixing with the fuel or vaporising into the air intake.) Here's some of my ideas in this thread:

http://www.skylinesaustralia.com/forums/sh...ead.php?t=43368

The problem I'm lead to believe thru my readings is that alcohols don't combust as quickly as pure hydrocarbons (gasoline). This means they either coagulate in the filters or have to be dumped straight into the exhaust following the stroke.

Good work and good luck. Remember, you'll never never know if you never never go.

[funkymonkey]

which reminds me, you'll have to change your filters VERY regularly if you inject alcohol into your engine.