SAFC and EBC or WOLF3D??

[fane]

steve, there must be a downsides to wolf....what are they?

[jmp]

Autronic you say? Yeah, great support there.

MoTec or at least Power FC please.

I've heard too many horror stories with Wolf now that I am scared. Honestly the amount of RB25's i've heard blowing up with Wolf's alone far exceeds a total of all others. However, the ones that have all gone to my knowledge have been stock injectors pushed too far with pressure regulators etc.

Josh

[EnricoPalazzo]

go a unichip (if they work on ur car that is)

Cheaper then a safc and ebc combo, and unichip controls both ign and fuel, and has a boost controller aswell, like the one i have for sale. Check it out. Id recommend it definately over safc, but if u want to spend more go a full ecu like the wolf.

goodluck

[fane]

that was what i was saying in the begining jmp...

exactly my point...

[MrMayhem]

thats part of the bueaty of going 32 engine is the ecu rom is tunable .......

[GTS-t VSPEC]

Fane, Can you name any RB25 with forged pistons that has blown up on the Wolf?

I can name a few forged piston engines which have blown up with both PowerFC's and Autronic's on. What does this tell you? Nothing. Engines have there limits, and not all tuners are equal.

[N I B]

WE see as many blowen 25s with PFC and factory ECUs.

Use what ever you want im not bothered but dont expect to beat our guys as Ant and Fabs are moveing the bench mark much higher.

Even GTAAH picked up 70rwhp by replacing his big name ECU with a wolf and The CRED R33 GTS ran well at 400rwhp on a stock RB25 at the drift last weekend. The bigggest drawback with Wolf we cant get enough units to keep up with demand.

You say the old wolf was outdated but forget the old Motecs were screw driver tunable so dont judge the latest units by old models but then again there is some very tough cars out there with V3s.

[MetBlue_GTST]

Basically the long and the short of it is that as long as the tuner is comfortable with the ECU and knows its limitations then there shouldn't be any problems... Every ECU has hidden tid bits that perform certain functions... The other thing to remember with tunable ECU's is that if the customer plays with the settings then its not the tuners or ECUs fault for lunching the engine... But sometimes freak things DO happen and its NO ONES fault...

[N I B]

Any plugin ECU is the smart way to go.

[N I B]

Best thing is to go to your prefered tuner and use their system!

[RB20LagWagon]

Or even better yet, learn to tune yourself.

[fane]

steve, i dont even want to get close to the power of Ant....i just dont have the $$$ to do so....and i love seeing the bar get higher

paul, i dont know facts i only know hearsay so thats why im asking questions...

[N I B]

SST have sold around 800 Wolfs in WA so they cant be all bad and that figure is why our opposition bag it so hard , They want a bigger slice of the pie.90% of RB25s with wolfs have never failed its only the guys that want to push the limits.

[Butler]

hey guys, just wondering, does the wolf use an AFM or a MAP sensor?

[RB20LagWagon]

Either, Afm or map, nobody uses afms though.

[zanda]

fane,

to say that because rb25s with wolfs have got belly-up may be true - but I think that you're drawing a long bow to say that the two are a cause and effect.

there is a very good looking morone r32 gtr which spun a bearing some time ago. in a really sad story, it has been rebuilt, was running a pfc, nismo turbos, great fuel pump, and it recently spun the same big end bearing in tune. so what can we infer from this? that the rb26 is a shit engine? (no!) that the skyline is a bad car? (no!) that the power fc is a crap ECU? (nope!).

the simple fact is that mechanical failure is not always a result of the ECU, or the car, or the engine - and so on.

as far as this relates to ECU's, and your questions, the skylines which have shat themselves recently have sometimes had wolfs in. however, they are now more powerful than they were before, are subject to greater loads - often using higher boost and turbos. as paul pointed out, the incidence of ringland failure is more symptomatic of the capacity for the ringlands to sustain 350rwhp than the capacity of the ECU to hold a good, safe tune. notwithstaning this - it may be worth asking what other support upgrades had been included? how many of these cars had baffled surge tanks, oil coolers or improved radiators? how many had headgaskets (debate unto itself) or forged pistons?

the first reality is that the ECU is only as good as the tuner. we're lucky to have someone in WA who is adept at tuning the wolf - and so that's what a lot of people are using. the second is that the engine is only as good as the engine. and a ten year old rb25det is only good for about 300 rwhp reliably and any more will be pushing it.

that's not to say the wolf is categorically the best ECU around, either. it can be argued that the processors on wolf arent as good as some other ecus. just do a search. however, given that we are talking about what are generally street cars, the wolf provides more than enough capacity to provide a good ECU, and has options easily at hand that are not available or not included in the base price of other ecus.

as far as AFC + EBC or full ECU, I cant figure why you would buy two seperate items - that cant talk to each other directly other than via the factory ecu and the engine - when you could have a single unit, and save yourself the spaghetti bullshit for around the same price.

[N I B]

One of the best knowen Blowups in WA was an RB26 with a cost no option build running a Jap remap and tuned but a well knowen jap tuner and the car was making over 100rwhp less than ND4SPD and GTAAH so whats the point in blaming Wolf ECUs? When PPL want to push for high power from stock parts things will fail.

[N I B]

One of the best knowen Blowups in WA was an RB26 with a cost no option build running a Jap remap and tuned but a well knowen jap tuner and the car was making over 100rwhp less than ND4SPD and GTAAH so whats the point in blaming Wolf ECUs? When PPL want to push for high power from stock parts things will fail.

[fane]

i understand the limits of the rb25/26 and pushing them is usually the reason for them to go keeerrrpow!... and i wasnt blaming wolfs for the deaths either...i was just interested about why the wolf is only so huge in WA.

my guess is that its because we have tuner here that can tune them and no one else really can crazily tune anything else....and with cars like ND4SPD promoting the wolf its hard to say a bad word about them....because 500 ppl come on here and stick up for them because they probably have one

merely posing questions not pointing fingers....

[Roy]

Well i just bought a Power Fc, and had of been able to find a tuner in Melb that had installed and tuned one on a car similar to mine which had ran reliably for 6 months, then i would have happily paid the money for the Wolf.

I didnt really want a Pfc, but dont have the garage space or time at the moment to install the Autronic, making a plug in ECU the only choice... Wolf or Power Fc, the Wolf would have even been cheaper.