Proposed Street Car/Street Tyre Class

[2rismo]

Its really a no win situation for the basic street car that is in true street trim as there will always be bigger cars that take drag racing serious and want the lower times so mod their street cars accordingly but on the other side of the coin why should those people be penalised for it

Why are you excluding the guys with the basic street cars from racing your weapon of a street car? You can't speak for everyone and suggest that it's a bit of a game unless they have a total weapon. My car is probably never gonna be as fast as the BU5TER but i'll still race you and you know I take it very seriously.

I'm just trying to do my bit for people that might have slower than 10 sec' street cars but who want to race competitively and regularly. Why do you think I took my car to a WSID bracket meet? Entered both Sydney Drag Combat events? Cos I wanna compete.

My response was perfectly in context, mate. You're saying it's no win for basic street cars as they take their drag racing seriously, implying that the basic street car drivers don't. That's just not true.

Adrian

[ido09s]

Oh and the term 'DOT' is an American term that refers to the Department of Transport - which is only relevant in the States....not here!  We are working on the correct terminology, that will be used in the soon to be released rule book.  Needless to say Australia complies with laws set down by the RTA - Road Transport Authority.  If your 'street tyres' don't meet the Australian design standards then they are not deemed legal for use on our roads.

this is a little hypocritcal isnt it..... you are worried about radial tyres not being safe, yet you are then saying that you can race an un-engineered car in this class........ it is after all called a "street class" is it not, and in order to race i feel major mods should be engineered. I am a member of AusRotary and this info has been passed on by one of their members.

I feel if it is going to be a "true" street class then the current RTA laws should be used as a guide and modified from there to keep the class safe. Minor things like ATMO BOV's and after market ECU's would be fine, but un-engineered engine converions and race fuel would obviously be banned. To exclude the Nitto 55R and BFG Drag Radial would, in my eyes, be doing the class an injustice. Tyres like this are a huge success both here and overseas and i think we should try and look at including them in this class. regardless of this.... Tyres should be of a radial type and be factory grooved, cross plys not allowed. Fuel should be limited to PULP with the addition of readily available octane boosters being ok. ie Nulon or Wynns etc. "H" pattern gearboxes to be retained with no sequential or non dowshiftable boxes allowed...

We arent after a super competitive sport but one that lends itself to the beginner of drag racing, one that anybody could join and work their way up through. The current street meets are good but something a little more competitive would be awesome.

We also need to keep the rules simple. Call me dumb i dont care, but after having a flick through the ANDRA rule book it baffled **** out of me... one page that broke out into another 20 just for one class. If the rules are going to be like this i think it will turn a lot of beginners away.

Brett - not everyone has budgets such as your or Andrea's, but what they do have is the want to drag race at a competitive level... thats why its called a street class

[2rismo]

We arent after a super competitive sport but one that lends itself to the beginner of drag racing, one that anybody could join and work their way up through. The current street meets are good but something a little more competitive would be awesome.

This is really what i am trying to say. Thanks mate

ROFL Robo I should point out Adrian and myself are good mates

You smell like bums!

Adrian

[BU5TER]

I was looking at it from the point of view of a owner with a modded car and my opinion was its very hard for the dead stock car in a street class to race competitevely (heads up) with some of the modded off their tits street cars I've seen at DC and Jamboree, shit its even hard for a modded car to race competitively hahaha

I just think that everyones opinion of street car is so different and all I meant is even though you may race the 8thsins etc at the end of the day the true street cars will never really be competetive unless the rules are made so the highly modded cars aren't allowed to race in that class but then how is that fair aswell, I was trying to look at it from each point of view sorry if it didn't come across like that

[BU5TER]

I was looking at it from the point of view of a owner with a modded car and my opinion was its very hard for the dead stock car in a street class to race competitively (heads up) with some of the modded off their tits street cars I've seen at DC and Jamboree, shit its even hard for a modded car to race competitively hahaha

I just think that everyone's opinion of street car is so different and all I meant is even though you may race the 8thsins etc at the end of the day the true street cars will never really be competitive unless the rules are made so the highly modded cars aren't allowed to race in that class but then how is that fair aswell, I was trying to look at it from each point of view sorry if it didn't come across like that

[BU5TER]

No one will answer the question of whats wrong with Sports RWD?? I think if we can answer that question we will find the changes needed to make that class what we'd like, Jason has already posted that the SPORT RWD class is already there for us so rather then talking about a new class we should be talking about a few changes to the current class that will better suit us

I'll start

1. I don't see why we have to keep OEM fuel tank

2. RWD and AWD should be seperated into 2 sub classes of that class ie Sports RWD and Sports AWD

3. If enough interest is shown a Radial tyre section should also be provided

[Guest Robo's]

Basically i should think any tyre legal for the street would be classed in the street car division. Us guys not running super soft compounds will not be as competitive, but thats to our disadvantage. I know next time when ordering my rear tyres i will be looking a little further, maybe i should start doing some big burnouts now.

[Trust33]

these cars cost a fortune to build and ten g'z sometimes just wont cut it competitivly, nothing can stop a hard tuned street regd car from blazing the quarter with us mild tuned competitors being left in their wake.

Sport rwd class needs revising to get two types of classes inc separatly those with and those without an engineers certificate for engine,drivetrain mods? could come into the criterea.

Or we could all just race together regardless and play like good sports...

[DoughBoy]

I don't see a problem with Sport RWD, having said that the car I'm building up is built to use those rules to their full advantage... something that a few people might have a spaz attack about.

Like anything, don't take the rules as an insult, just be more creative with how you interpret them

[Clint32]

i had a quick read of the sport RWD class rules and they appear to be pretty good on the whole, but the weights listed for a turbo, ie single power adder, 6cly was around 1450kgs when converted from memory, now this is above what a stock gtst will weight, 32 anyway without any form of lighting (i dont need to aircond or a stereo anymore) so thats ione thing i would look at, around 1200kgs would be more appropriate

[Roy]

... now this is above what a stock gtst will weight, 32 anyway without any form of lighting (i dont need to aircond or a stereo anymore) so thats ione thing i would look at, around 1200kgs would be more appropriate

Jesus, who is getting serious

Is Sports RWD heads up racing?

I think if you seriously want to make the category appealing , ie plenty of jokers rocking up and competing, you firstly have to make it accessible, and the carrot has to be there for all competitors, that means anyone can win. Which means dial i times.

Seeing a std GTST that pulls a mid 13 leave 1.5 seconds earlier then a worked off its nuts car that is trying to hunt it down at full track, thats exciting, and comes back to the basics, driver and there understanding of their own car, and their ability to drive it.

Then it doesnt matter it they have $135 tonka tuff hard tyres of Nittos, nitrous or a turbo off a light commercial airliner...obviously you would need some rules so that you can throw a blanket over the field...and surely those that build big hp cars must get satisfaction from A) doing the time B) doing it consistantly, which the serious races will always do more consistantly.

anyway ... there my thoughts from someone that has always been reluctant to do drag racing for the above reasons.

[Trust33]

dial your own where you push your car as hard as you can and as consistantly as you can.Its realy a test of driver skill.

[MrBlonde]

dial your own where you push your car as hard as you can and as consistantly as you can.Its realy a test of driver skill.

Then why do bracket racers constantly back off and/or tap the brakes before the traps? DYO is never about pushing your car as hard as you can for those who want to win. Watch the difference between a race and when they decide to drive it out the back door. It can be five tenths different! How is that pushing your car?

[MrBlonde]

Maybe the tyres would be hard to police, but if you require same wheels on front as the back, it would certainly be a bit harder....

Not all cars come with the same tyre sizes front and back stock from the factory though. In fact neither of my cars do.

[Bass Junky]

No, I mean same style.

My car has 8 inch fronts and 9 inch rears, but they are both Buddy P1s

Not dedicated race wheels on the back.