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hypergear Grand Master

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Well if you are trying to market on SAU form, you will need to do what I did.

Send us your turbo and get it high flowed, :yes:

Get all supporting mods.

Then get your car tuned on P98 fuel with and without additive.

Post up your results that contains Power, Boost, Torque, AFR as well as your ignition advance table before and after.

If it did make more power by then, we would understand more about this product, what it does, and benefits in comparison to other alternatives.

Ben C34 Grand Master

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I reckon you would see similar gains with an amount of e85 I the tank.

Just enough to lean off mixtures nicely. Maybe 5 bucks of e85 would do it. How's that compare to the ozygen?

C4a0s Proficient

C4a0s

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i'm just sharing what I got from using someone's product...

Before and after additive, power, torque and AFR graphs are already shown. It works as advertised :)

no variables to confuse or mislead results. Stock ecu. So if you modified your car like getting your turbocharger high flowed...the improvement gains could be more... ;)

C4a0s Proficient

C4a0s

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You did 20 dyno runs yes?

There is 20 variables right there.

Over the course of 20 pulls how much did the air temp change?

would dyno runs be considered as variables? or number of times of repeating the experiment to get consistent results so as to eliminate the outlying (is that what they are called?) data?

i have to say we did not monitor the intake air temp but right after the last run, oil temp was 91 deg, water temp was 81 deg, intake air temp was 28 deg.

hypergear Grand Master

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You can't just dump in the additive to a stock car, print out the best results and assume it actually works.

if it does boost the octane level, especially for a turbocharged engine, lets say at 20psi of boost, by keeping the AFR constant, you will be able to add in extra degrees of ignition advance without gain knock. just like as if you are using E85 or C15 fuel.

That extra power made by additional ignition advance will be the differences in fuel advantage.

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Super Drager Mentor

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If the fuel is more oxygenated it will make more power, few things you could answer are how much does it cost and why not just tune your car on 98, drain it, then retune on that fuel and see the increase?

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C4a0s

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You can't just dump in the additive to a stock car, print out the best results and assume it actually works.

why not? pardon my questioning but car is currently stock... so all things equal, adding this product gave me 3% increase overall....doesnt that mean that it works? if i used a modified car, disbelievers will then say that maybe the car's timing, fuelling etc was modified inbetween runs. In my situation... nothing was touched, nothing can be adjusted cos it was a stock ECU. So isnt that's fair testing?

print out best results? would a stock car give such varying results over 20 runs? if nothing is changed....would a worst run and a best run have such huge difference?

If the fuel is more oxygenated it will make more power, few things you could answer are how much does it cost and why not just tune your car on 98, drain it, then retune on that fuel and see the increase?

based on what I know,...its retailing at $60 for a 1 litre can and that can treat up to 65 litres.

why not tune my car on 98 drain it then retune? would love to but my car is stock...will do it again when i have all my mods but time and money are the deciding factors...

plus.. if i did that... wouldn't people then attribute the performance increase to the tune and not the race fuel?

Although having said that, my friend has dyno graphs of R35s on normal 98 without tuning compared to tune+additive.... and the increase is even more.

But if people are already skeptical of 3% increase in a stock car... would they accept a 18.8% improvement?

89CAL Grand Master

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Hasn't it already been discussed that the small power increase may be due to the tune being leaner (as there is oxygen in the fuel, resulting in more air:less fuel AFR due to injecting the same amount pump fuel vs fuel with additive?)

The initial dyno graph has thrown me a bit though, it looks to me like the AFR's were richer with the additive when it made more power. I might have to go back and have a look but this doesnt make sense to me if it is the case. Octane booster shouldnt change the AFR, just make it possible to run more timing

I'm sorry to join the sceptical people in here, but I can't see the power gain (if it can be proven to be worthwhile) being worth $60 a tank. UNLESS it ends up being as benefical as E85, but I remain sceptical

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why not? pardon my questioning but car is currently stock... so all things equal, adding this product gave me 3% increase overall....doesnt that mean that it works? if i used a modified car, disbelievers will then say that maybe the car's timing, fuelling etc was modified inbetween runs. In my situation... nothing was touched, nothing can be adjusted cos it was a stock ECU. So isnt that's fair testing?

print out best results? would a stock car give such varying results over 20 runs? if nothing is changed....would a worst run and a best run have such huge difference?

based on what I know,...its retailing at $60 for a 1 litre can and that can treat up to 65 litres.

why not tune my car on 98 drain it then retune? would love to but my car is stock...will do it again when i have all my mods but time and money are the deciding factors...

plus.. if i did that... wouldn't people then attribute the performance increase to the tune and not the race fuel?

Although having said that, my friend has dyno graphs of R35s on normal 98 without tuning compared to tune+additive.... and the increase is even more.

But if people are already skeptical of 3% increase in a stock car... would they accept a 18.8% improvement?

You don't seem to understand what i'm saying, tune your car as hard as you can on 98, then do the same on the additive. If this fuel is so much better you will be able to advance the ignition over regular 98. The whole point of a "better fuel" is to be able to run more ignition advance over regular fuel. Note the changes that it allows you to make(boost/timing/afr) and post here again, instead of just putting into a stock car. I could run E85 in a stock car and it would make shit for power if i could even get it to start on a stock tune, but we all know it would make loads more tuned properly for the fuel.

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