Formula 1 2015

[Roy]

The advantage of being an actual constructor rather than a glorified garagist.

When Red Bull were blitzing the field for 3 years straight, did they have to supply their chassis to any team at a nominal cost?

Besides, RBR dug this hole for themselves.

RBR dug the hole ... no doubt.

But i say BS to chassis argument. Look at how RBR had an average chassis at the start of the year. They were allowed to develop which they have done and easily one of the best 3 going at the moment.

Argument could be made that they are the best.

Now engines...all but 3 teams are locked into what they

are given/bought. You could argue Williams get the same gear but this year they have been behind in spec and it is absolutely an engine formula. They tried to fix that issue years ago by freezing engines as a variable to within a few percent.

Now thats its a variable let others catch up just as they can from an aero or susp or brake perspective. Freezing it when it is a huge variable is silly as Renault and Honda teams are forced to sit out a season.

Good on Merc for getting it right...theybdeserve their championships....but imagine if other teams were banned from developing a blown diffuser...or an F-Duct etc....

[dezz]

If you were Ferrari, and you had a decent engine, would you give it to one of your main rivals who have a better chassis than you?

You may as well just give them your 2nd place in the constructors at the start of 2016

[Roy]

And fair enough. I dont blame Fezz or Merc...i blame the rules.

Shame you dont have independent engines by Cosworth, Renault, Honda in an environment where they can actually develop to get competitive with the right budget

[JAS-25T]

FIA has ruled that engine manufacturers have to give their customers same spec from next year on.

[tweety bird]

I like that.

[JAS-25T]

through to 2020 I believe.

[hrd-hr30]

lol at RBR being easily one of the 3 best chassis at the moment, and arguably the best. I'm reckon the gains they've made since the start of the year are as much to do with the Renault engine as their chassis. But only thing their chassis seems to be better at than others, is low speed mechanical grip - drive off slow, non aero corners. Everywhere else they're still pretty damn average - high speed handling STR still have their measure!

FIA has ruled that engine manufacturers have to give their customers same spec from next year on.

That will mean no Ferrari engines for RBR. They don't have the capacity to make extra 2016 spec engines according to James Allen.

RBR will need to eat a big helping of humble pie to get their Renaults back. lol!

Edited October 15, 2015 by hrd-hr30

[JAS-25T]

I'd suggest James Allen has as much influence on the decision as you.

[Kinks]

development freezes are BS

flogging the same old horse year after year.. no chance to change the status quo

boring!

[JAS-25T]

Lucky for you then that there hasn't been one since 2013.

[hrd-hr30]

I'd suggest James Allen has as much influence on the decision as you.

wow... James Allen's not claiming to have any influence on the decision. He just reported that Ferrari stated they don't have the capacity to make that many 2016 spec engines in the timeframe available. Do Ferrari have any influence on the decision to supply Ferrari engines? Do they have any say on whether it's even feasible?

[JAS-25T]

To be clear, what I was suggesting was that whilst James is reporting on the latest from F1 close quarters, he probably isn't at the coal face.

Have you read his latest?

He is suggesting they want more "tokens" to be able to be a few development steps ahead of their customers whilst still offering the same "spec"

[Roy]

So RBR sector times at Spa anf Suzuka and their pace in Hungary and Singapore...they are showing some serious pace when you consider what max speed, speed trapand sector time thre FIA publish after rounds.

Hopefully Nismo dadge Renault engines and Mecachrome crank out this ew engine which talk has the single cylinder test platform is a Big improvement over current ICE

[hrd-hr30]

Singapore in particular is an anomaly of a track. It's not a good test of the chassis' aero - you can have the draggiest dog of an aero package there and it won't matter. Just max downforce is all that counts. Whereas a good chassis that works best on proper racetracks will be the best mix of downforce to drag ratio. Red Bull have never been very good at that though. Even when they ran blown diffusers to get their aero advantage, they were still very draggy and slow in a straight line. They were just lucky they were the only ones who really got the blown diffuser singing... The only other aspect of chassis performance Singapore measures is traction out of slow corners. And that's easier when you have less power. And that could just as likely be contributed to Renault doing an excellent job of PU driveability, as much as Red Bull's chassis. You can pretty much ignore everything that happened at Singapore as far as chassis evaluation is concerned. Unless you think they've cunningly designed a chassis optimised for one (maybe two) circuit out of the whole calendar...

Hungary everyone else tripped over themselves, flattering red bull with some sort of result. But there again, STR were right on their heels. And no-one's saying that's one of the best chassis in the field...

[Roy]

RBR have very good mechanical grip , or so they say. I did say chassis, which is suspension and aero etc. Anyway, difference of opinion I guess. The Renaults would look positively slow if it wasnt for the McLarens getting around. I suppose this weekend may tell us a thing or two about their chassis

I didnt realise until the weekend that Vettel has actually overtaken Rosberg in the WDC. I suppose if we get lucky Homo will get a run of DNF aand car problems like Rosberg has endured of late

[dezz]

Anyone happen to catch the MotoGP race yesterday? More passes in 1 lap than an entire F1 race, and none of them manufactured or done in pitstops

[hrd-hr30]

passing is easy when there's literally no downforce involved in the vehicle's performance and the track is wide enough for a dozen vehicles

[dezz]

None of which changes the fact that F1 sucks a bag of dicks at the moment.

[dezz]

Relevant article..

http://www.therideadvice.com/why-motogp-has-become-the-best-motosport-series-in-the-world/

Interesting points about how Dorna run and manage motoGP in stark contrast to Bernie and his mates, its not just the awesome racing that sets them apart

[hrd-hr30]

Yeah I don't like DRS, fuel saving nonsense and fake tyre deg (admittedly not as bad since they toughened them up to suit the turbo engines). WEC has turned into 24hr sprint races, and F1 has become like Gran Turismo 5's 20min endurance races with accelerated tyre wear and fuel use... Too fake for my liking.

But hoping for MotoGP like racing is simply never going to happen in F1.

RBR have very good mechanical grip , or so they say. I did say chassis, which is suspension and aero etc. Anyway, difference of opinion I guess. The Renaults would look positively slow if it wasnt for the McLarens getting around. I suppose this weekend may tell us a thing or two about their chassis

I didnt realise until the weekend that Vettel has actually overtaken Rosberg in the WDC. I suppose if we get lucky Homo will get a run of DNF aand car problems like Rosberg has endured of late

This weekend - status quo I reckon. Merc, Ferrari, Williams, RBR - with STR not far off them.