Siege In The Cbd

[NISMO]

I've always assumed its because more people = bigger economy (easy way to keep growth going) = more power. If you look at population density, resources etc, compared to other countries, Australia is no-where near full, even if you take out all the useless desert. Personally I would prefer to keep the population low, but I believe expanding the population enjoys support from both sides of politics

The actual population growth policy was around ensuring we have enough people should another country decide to invade following how close we came to this in WW2

Can't remember who it was, but pretty sure the line was - "lets populate ourselves, before someone else does it for us"

There was an estimate that we needed to grow by approx 200k people per annum.

It was viewed that around 70k could be achieved through birth rates, the rest would come from migration.

The UK was unable to meet the 130k needed, which then led to the ending of the "White Australia" policy and commencing migration agreements with several countries.

[MrStabby]

^ Interesting - that's another aspect of larger population = more power. Also, letting in younger immigrants could be used offset the ageing population, but i don't know if the system is setup that way, but it should be.

[niZmO_Man]

MHM had no right to be out on bail. He had not right to Centrelink benefits. And he had no right to be here. But I do pray for families and friends of the barista, the barrister and the bastard.

Seems like criminals have more rights/protection around here than non-crims. If I smash a would be robber over the head, he can sue me and will probably win.

The court's defence regarding his bail was that the prosecutors didn't have a strong enough case against him for the alleged murder. Disregarding his previous convictions of course!

Will things change regarding crims on the street? Probably not.

[MrStabby]

Seems like criminals have more rights/protection around here than non-crims. If I smash a would be robber over the head, he can sue me and will probably win.

If he's taking your stuff, yes. If you think he's going to harm/kill you then you can defend yourself. For example, if you think "i am in fear of my life" and you accidentally smash him harder than is required so stop him killing you, because you're not an expert fighter, then you may be ok. I'd imagine that if it was a his word against yours thing in court, you'd probably be more believable being the victim.

[niZmO_Man]

If he's taking your stuff, yes. If you think he's going to harm/kill you then you can defend yourself. For example, if you think "i am in fear of my life" and you accidentally smash him harder than is required so stop him killing you, because you're not an expert fighter, then you may be ok. I'd imagine that if it was a his word against yours thing in court, you'd probably be more believable being the victim.

I've read a few too many Australian articles to say otherwise.

[Whoa Black Boaty]

I've been listening to this shit since 10 o'clock this mourning, suprised it took this long for someone to post up about it

1 dude, really, don't we have snippers

No but we have media taking snaps of him in perfect view with no hostages as shields. just shot the dude in the head and save 2 innocents lives.

[Whoa Black Boaty]

I've read a few too many Australian articles to say otherwise.

Me 2. tbh if someone steps on your property with the intent to steal something or hurt you or any of your family. laws should go straight out the window. Same when there is a sketchy muslim sending hate mail to deceased australian soldiers families and you don't have enough evidence to convict him of murder. keep him in jail until you can can find him guilty or innocent. don't send him into public to allow him to walk the streets among everyone else. I blame the courts/justice system more than the nut job that did it.

Edited December 18, 2014 by SkylineR33RB25

[niZmO_Man]

http://www.smh.com.au/national/sydney-siege-experts-back-police-policy-to-negotiate-with-man-haron-monis-20141217-128csz.html

[Whoa Black Boaty]

The police did do amazing 2 dead is pretty good for so much hostages. No blame on polices part.
But look at this image, no hostage as shield. any sniper in the world could make that. 999/1000 times

[Ben C34]

Me 2. tbh if someone steps on your property with the intent to steal something or hurt you or any of your family. laws should go straight out the window. Same when there is a sketchy muslim sending hate mail to deceased australian soldiers families and you don't have enough evidence to convict him of murder. keep him in jail until you can can find him guilty or innocent. don't send him into public to allow him to walk the streets among everyone else. I blame the courts/justice system more than the nut job that did it.

You would be ok with a "sketchy Christian" sending hate mail to dead soldiers? There's a group of Christians in america who do that and protest at funerals.

I assume you wouldn't like it.

Makes me wonder why you specified Muslim in your post. Makes no difference.

Edited December 18, 2014 by Ben C34

[Whoa Black Boaty]

You would be ok with a "sketchy Christian" sending hate mail to dead soldiers? There's a group of Christians in america who do that and protest at funerals.

I assume you wouldn't like it.

Makes me wonder why you specified Muslim in your post. Makes no difference.

You're right. I wouldn't care who they are. If you don't support what we are doing over there then that's not the way to protest..

[MrStabby]

Me 2. tbh if someone steps on your property with the intent to steal something or hurt you or any of your family. laws should go straight out the window.

Your system requires a way to quickly and accurately establish intent. How would you do that?

[MrStabby]

The police did do amazing 2 dead is pretty good for so much hostages. No blame on polices part.

But look at this image, no hostage as shield. any sniper in the world could make that. 999/1000 times

Was that photo taken before Police could establish what was happening? Did he then stay away from the windows, with victims holding up flags in the windows, because he was worried about getting sniped?

The only story i heard was that he had a sawn off double barrel shot gun. If that's the case, then he was only ever likely to kill two people.

[Ben C34]

The whole "should have sniper ed him" armchair hindsight train of thought also assumes there was a sniper next to you camera man.

[r32-25t]

There was, channel 7 was nice enough to show them all while the reporter was standing next to them

[XKLABA]

I believe he had a pump action

I also have been led to beleive it was registered in his name under his gun licence, WTF

[XKLABA]

The whole "should have sniper ed him" armchair hindsight train of thought also assumes there was a sniper next to you camera man.

Um, get it right, it was an excavator chair, and I suggested it less then 2 hours after the shit started and they had 16 hours to organise something before the baristor did something

[Ben C34]

Um, get it right, it was an excavator chair, and I suggested it less then 2 hours after the shit started and they had 16 hours to organise something before the baristor did something

Maybe you should change careers.....

[Ben C34]

I believe he had a pump action

I also have been led to beleive it was registered in his name under his gun licence, WTF

Get it right.

He never had a gun license.

[XKLABA]

Maybe you should change careers.....

Got any suggestions, needs to pay really well to match or beat what I get now

Get it right.

He never had a gun license.

Oh ok, just what I heard