1990 Nismo Gtr Or 1991 Australian Delivered 1991 Gtr

[pittyoo]

Which one of these would you buy , the 1990 r32 gtr Nismo or 1 of 100 Australian delivered 1991 r32 gtr and why ??

Also what would each car be worth if they where both in good original condition?

[r32-25t]

Nismo cause same shit but cheaper

[dermy]

Nismo

[niZmO_Man]

Nismo doesn't get the AUDM tail lights

[PN-Mad]

Buy a 1989 nothing model, by that logic.

I am going to guess your after something more collectible and rare by the sound of this question.

In which case the ADM poops all over the nismo

[r32-25t]

Nismo doesn't get the AUDM tail lights

which look shit anyway

[R32N1]

Is this a survey question as a matter of interest? Or are you actually interested in buying one?

I personally would go with the Nismo out of those two. The Nismo is not actually that different to the stock GTR. They made a few slight changes, including full Nismo body kit (front bonnet lip, front bumper vents, Nismo sideskirts and Nismo Back boot lip), No rear windscreen wiper, no ABS and no AC as per standard. They also included slightly larger turbos (which are laggy and too large to be efficient at 0.8 bar). These were mostly to modify the aerodynamics of the R32 GTR for Homologation for Grp A racing. Grp A cars were not supposed to look the same as the factory car, which included spoiler kits etc. In stock form, the Nismos were not really any faster than standard R32 GTRs.(See youtube below)

However, in saying all of this, everyone knows that the Nismo is the base for such historically classic race cars as the Calsonic GTR etc. Even though the Nismo has more units produced than the ADM, 500 (plus 60 odd that went directly to grp A teams) vs 100 for the ADM, internationally the demand for Nismos will outstrip the ADM 1000:1. So that should mean that the number of buyers competing for the few Nismos remaining ( I assume that many of them have been raced and crashed), should always mean that the Nismos command a higher purchase price.

As im a kiwi and not Australian, i have no real interest in the ADMs at all, so maybe i am bias. Aussies will have to jump in here and give their points of view too.

Possibly a better question is ADM vs Nismo vs N1?

N1s only had 228 units produced, vs the 500 (plus 60) Nismos, vs the 100 for the ADMs. Unlike the Nismos (Group A), the N1s were for Group N endurance racing (off the show room floor racing). In the early 90s, Group N racing in Japan was very similar to Bathurst in the early 70s. You buy a car from a manufacturer, make very limited mods (tyres, brakes, suspension, exhaust and computer i believe) and then race it! So the GTR N1 was a semi prepped race car from Nissan. So the chassis is more rigid, engine built by hand, bigger turbos, lighter everything etc. Of the 228 R32 N1s Built, they can be split into 3, N1, V Spec N1 and V Spec II N1. To be honest i am not 100% sure of the exact break down in terms of quantity, but i believe that most of them were the initial N1 spec and the V Spec N1 and V Spec II N1 number approximately 50 each.

From what i can tell from my general observations, N1s sell for approximately 25-30% more than Nismos in Japan. This is simply my general observations over the last 3 years. It is very hard to work out accurately with such a small number coming up for sale and condition varying so much.

So in my mind, the wish list order in terms of both value and desirability for an Australian wanting to buy an R32 GTR should go like this (all things remaining equal)

1 - V Spec II N1

2 - V Spec N1

3 - N1

4 - Nismo

5 - ADM

6 - V Spec II

7 - V Spec

8 - Stock GTR.

Of course this is just my opinion and everyone is different.

[pittyoo]

Great reply thanks.

Ye I was looking at purchasing one or the other , and purely based on collectability atm ,but I'm not sure weather they are worth 10 or 30 grand more than a standard gtr or Tommy Kaira gtr ?

[R32N1]

Obviously that is all an individual point of view. Most people would probably say that double the price for a car that is almost identical, with the main difference being a little blue chassis plate, is probably not worth it. However then you get people like myself, that willing to pay 3 x as much or more for that different little blue build plate, just to say i have an N1! I would say that all bar the Tommy Kaira is a good investment. I cant see too many people demanding Tommy Kaira's with too much enthusiasm.

An N1, Nismo or ADM will all be solid investments and more importantly great cars with which you will be proud to drive.

[BoyWhoCriedWolf]

The ADM will, in this country, always out strip the Nismo version. Prior to the 35 Australia was the only country Nissan exported the GTR directly too.

That being said I would dearly love an N1.

[GTR-N1]

Is this a survey question as a matter of interest? Or are you actually interested in buying one?

I personally would go with the Nismo out of those two. The Nismo is not actually that different to the stock GTR. They made a few slight changes, including full Nismo body kit (front bonnet lip, front bumper vents, Nismo sideskirts and Nismo Back boot lip), No rear windscreen wiper, no ABS and no AC as per standard. They also included slightly larger turbos (which are laggy and too large to be efficient at 0.8 bar). These were mostly to modify the aerodynamics of the R32 GTR for Homologation for Grp A racing. Grp A cars were not supposed to look the same as the factory car, which included spoiler kits etc. In stock form, the Nismos were not really any faster than standard R32 GTRs.(See youtube below)

However, in saying all of this, everyone knows that the Nismo is the base for such historically classic race cars as the Calsonic GTR etc. Even though the Nismo has more units produced than the ADM, 500 (plus 60 odd that went directly to grp A teams) vs 100 for the ADM, internationally the demand for Nismos will outstrip the ADM 1000:1. So that should mean that the number of buyers competing for the few Nismos remaining ( I assume that many of them have been raced and crashed), should always mean that the Nismos command a higher purchase price.

As im a kiwi and not Australian, i have no real interest in the ADMs at all, so maybe i am bias. Aussies will have to jump in here and give their points of view too.

Possibly a better question is ADM vs Nismo vs N1?

N1s only had 228 units produced, vs the 500 (plus 60) Nismos, vs the 100 for the ADMs. Unlike the Nismos (Group A), the N1s were for Group N endurance racing (off the show room floor racing). In the early 90s, Group N racing in Japan was very similar to Bathurst in the early 70s. You buy a car from a manufacturer, make very limited mods (tyres, brakes, suspension, exhaust and computer i believe) and then race it! So the GTR N1 was a semi prepped race car from Nissan. So the chassis is more rigid, engine built by hand, bigger turbos, lighter everything etc. Of the 228 R32 N1s Built, they can be split into 3, N1, V Spec N1 and V Spec II N1. To be honest i am not 100% sure of the exact break down in terms of quantity, but i believe that most of them were the initial N1 spec and the V Spec N1 and V Spec II N1 number approximately 50 each.

From what i can tell from my general observations, N1s sell for approximately 25-30% more than Nismos in Japan. This is simply my general observations over the last 3 years. It is very hard to work out accurately with such a small number coming up for sale and condition varying so much.

So in my mind, the wish list order in terms of both value and desirability for an Australian wanting to buy an R32 GTR should go like this (all things remaining equal)

1 - V Spec II N1

2 - V Spec N1

3 - N1

4 - Nismo

5 - ADM

6 - V Spec II

7 - V Spec

8 - Stock GTR.

Of course this is just my opinion and everyone is different.

Good reply indeed. In Australia, rankings #4 and #5 are likely to be switched, or equal.

On the world stage, yes, the Nismo model would be worth more than the ADM.

Projected Sums Insured by Aust. Insurance Companies should be in 2015 in Renewal terms...

(for top of the line specimens) around...

* V-Spec II N1 - $95,000

* V-Spec N1 - $88,000

* Non V-Spec N1 - $80,000

* Aust Delivered - $78,000 to $83,000

* Nismo - $75,000 to $85,000

* V-Spec II - $53,000

* V-Spec - $43,000

* Non V-Spec - $33,000

Mods in my opinion (depending on what they are) might only shift those values north by a small margin.

That'll be negotiated I'm sure between the owner and the company.

[GTR-N1]

Sale prices of course will be somewhat less than the above.

Insurance companies tend to give some latitude when it it comes to the Sum Insured.

[R32N1]

Good reply indeed. In Australia, rankings #4 and #5 are likely to be switched, or equal.

On the world stage, yes, the Nismo model would be worth more than the ADM.

Projected Sums Insured by Aust. Insurance Companies should be in 2015 in Renewal terms...

(for top of the line specimens) around...

* V-Spec II N1 - $95,000

* V-Spec N1 - $88,000

* Non V-Spec N1 - $80,000

* Aust Delivered - $78,000 to $83,000

* Nismo - $75,000 to $85,000

* V-Spec II - $53,000

* V-Spec - $43,000

* Non V-Spec - $33,000

Mods in my opinion (depending on what they are) might only shift those values north by a small margin.

That'll be negotiated I'm sure between the owner and the company.

That is a very interesting list Terry. Im sure you know alot more about the price of these in Australia than I do. Iron Chef may be able to help with this, but i would have thought that the price gap between N1s and Nismos in Japan, would have been mirrored or at least have some correlation with the price gap of N1s and Nismos in Australia. Again it is only my observation, but i would have thought that a Nismo would command around 25% less than a similar condition N1. Again this is only observation and also i may be bias

[Aussie_Delivered_R32_GTR]

This NISMO will be a good guide.

I'm trying to find out the sell price on this (If it sold).

http://www.j-spec.com.au/auction/SEVS/1990-Nissan-Skyline-5701471.html

Bob.

[GTR-N1]

Link didn't work for me via phone Bob. I'll try the computer later.

[Aussie_Delivered_R32_GTR]

UNSOLD.......... RESERVE PRICE NOT MET.......

This couldn't find a home either..........

http://www.j-spec.com.au/auction/SEVS/1994-Nissan-Skyline-5695133.html

Bob.

[GTR-N1]

Often the reserve is dropped noticeably for Auction Round #2

[mattie4270]

So roughly what would a Nismo in good condition be worth in Aus

[Aussie_Delivered_R32_GTR]

So roughly what would a Nismo in good condition be worth in Aus

This car sold for the equivalent of approx. $50,000 landed complied and registered.

http://www.j-spec.com.au/auction/SEVS/1990-Nissan-Skyline-5701471.html

That's pretty much inline with an Australian Delivered R32 GT-R.

I'd say they are worth roughly the same money all things considered.

Bob.

[mattie4270]

OK,i didnt think it would be that much,thanks Bob