GTRgeoff Posted July 8, 2004 Share Posted July 8, 2004 I have been on the hunt for a cheaper alternative for some thermal shield and decided to try this stuff. Being the datalogger type I have been measuring the outlet temps from my Hybrid Monster FMIC and was very happy, until I put my hand on the crossover pipe and feel the temp after a hard run. All that FMIC cooling goodness wasted. This Flashtac product is available at Bunnings and maybe other hardware stores and cost about $20 for 10m. It is a layer of aluminium strip, thicker than foil and backed with a tarry adhesive substance. It did all of the piping required. I'm also a tight bastard so I preferred to weld up my own FMIC piping from 2.5" mild steel instead of ally or stainless, at least until I have my setup complete to my satisfaction. With my fetish for a twin turbo RB26 setup not yet fed, the FMIC piping is still temporary. The downside of mild is the rust, so unsightly and unprofessional so here comes the fix. The flashtac is shiny (bling bling) for the looks department, as well as rejecting radiated heat. I removed the front bar and set to work with a wire brush to remove some of the ugly rust. Then I gave it a wipe down and out came the flashtac. I pulled off the crossover pipe to wrap it as this one gets the most radiated heat so was most important. Just a slight overlap as you go along is ideal and work it flat along the way to get the look. To obtain a much smoother look rub it in with a glass bottle (beer ). Then the inlet and outlet get done on the FMIC as they are visible and that is way uncool to have rust on. I know, ponies before chromies but you gotta maintain some respect. Then back on with the front bar and happy days. No more rust and a really cool race cred finish to your FMIC piping. Now the crossover pipe just gets a little warm instead of hot to touch and as all Engineers know, thermal energy transfer is a logarithmic function dependent on the temperature differential so this is not a wasted exercise as the pipe is much cooler even if still *warm*. I would normally measure temps and stuff but the fingers are sensitive enough to tell the difference here. An afternote is that the tar adhesive does get tacky in the warm engine bay, but I am yet to see any actually melt out from its location. I bags NOT removing it from the pipe ever as it will be a solid gold Biatch. Enjoy in moderation. I take no responsibility for anyone silly enough to put this on their bling bling expensive polished piping as there will be a massive effort to clean off. DO NOT PUT THIS ON EXHAUST PIPE, please!! Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/45426-thermal-shield-for-fmic-pipes/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulr33 Posted July 11, 2004 Share Posted July 11, 2004 the gibson r32 gtr we had at autosalon had this same method on its throttle body and intercooler piping, looks good Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/45426-thermal-shield-for-fmic-pipes/#findComment-929279 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTRgeoff Posted July 11, 2004 Author Share Posted July 11, 2004 Thanks Paul. Really noticing the heat difference after driving. The cold off boost air keeps it pretty cold to the touch. Who am I kidding. Even on boost the FMIC is so big it maintains to within 1 degree of ambient temp. Warms a little after sitting though. As an update. The tar backing is not leaking out at all after hours of driving (Winton and return) or a 20min hard session through twisties. I am really impressed and the guys who see it immediately think race car. Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/45426-thermal-shield-for-fmic-pipes/#findComment-929666 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warpspeed Posted July 23, 2004 Share Posted July 23, 2004 That Flashtac stuff is good. It survives for years outside on corrugated roofing iron which can be in continuous direct tropical summer sun, and is supposed to be waterproof in winter. Should work well either under the font guard or in the engine compartment. Another way is sponge neoprene sheet, like the stuff wet suits are made from. Available from Clark Rubber in various thicknesses, glued directly on to the intercooler pipework with "Kwik Grip" contact adhesive. It stretches a lot, so is easy to wrap neatly around sharp mandrel bends. Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/45426-thermal-shield-for-fmic-pipes/#findComment-949755 Share on other sites More sharing options...
INASNT Posted July 23, 2004 Share Posted July 23, 2004 Or you could get ur cooler pipes ceramically coated like i got mine. Works really well but is alot more expensive Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/45426-thermal-shield-for-fmic-pipes/#findComment-950114 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTRgeoff Posted July 24, 2004 Author Share Posted July 24, 2004 The goal was always cheap and effective. I've achieved both. I'd seen the neoprene done before so wanted to come up with something novel, but neoprene is a great idea. Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/45426-thermal-shield-for-fmic-pipes/#findComment-951018 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warpspeed Posted July 24, 2004 Share Posted July 24, 2004 I agree the Flashtac idea is brilliant, cheap, simple, easy, and effective. Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/45426-thermal-shield-for-fmic-pipes/#findComment-951092 Share on other sites More sharing options...
200zRRR Posted July 27, 2004 Share Posted July 27, 2004 Price of "Flashtac" ? Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/45426-thermal-shield-for-fmic-pipes/#findComment-956035 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anquetil Posted July 27, 2004 Share Posted July 27, 2004 Price of "Flashtac" ? "This Flashtac product is available at Bunnings and maybe other hardware stores and cost about $20 for 10m" Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/45426-thermal-shield-for-fmic-pipes/#findComment-956172 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryosuke Takahashi Posted July 27, 2004 Share Posted July 27, 2004 What would be the results if you used 'Flashtac' on the exhaust manifold? Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/45426-thermal-shield-for-fmic-pipes/#findComment-956229 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTRgeoff Posted July 27, 2004 Author Share Posted July 27, 2004 It's a tar based product on the back of the foil so you would lots of smoke, then a fire so as posted before DO NOT PUT THIS ON EXHAUST PIPE, please!! It is fine for inlet and protecting against radiated heat. Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/45426-thermal-shield-for-fmic-pipes/#findComment-956521 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MearCat Posted September 22, 2004 Share Posted September 22, 2004 Geoff, How many metres did you use for all of the piping? Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/45426-thermal-shield-for-fmic-pipes/#findComment-1022297 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTRgeoff Posted September 22, 2004 Author Share Posted September 22, 2004 You can get away with the single 10m roll but may need a bit more if you have more piping to do. Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/45426-thermal-shield-for-fmic-pipes/#findComment-1022381 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SLIM V 2.1.0 Posted September 23, 2004 Share Posted September 23, 2004 :bananaman Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/45426-thermal-shield-for-fmic-pipes/#findComment-1023230 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MearCat Posted September 28, 2004 Share Posted September 28, 2004 Geoff, Have you got any temperature figures to back up how much of a difference the FlashTec has made? Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/45426-thermal-shield-for-fmic-pipes/#findComment-1028540 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTRgeoff Posted September 28, 2004 Author Share Posted September 28, 2004 No, just going by feel. the tubing was too hot to touch before and only gets warm now. I do measure temps after the intercooler and saw a max of 36 deg in the airflow after a recent session at PI, while I have seen over 55 deg before with the stock cooler. Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/45426-thermal-shield-for-fmic-pipes/#findComment-1029205 Share on other sites More sharing options...
redline2003 Posted September 28, 2004 Share Posted September 28, 2004 Geoff, is it possible to get the intercooler(and AFM-to-turbo) piping coated in rubber or made of a more heat resistant material then stainless steel(like say carbon fibre like the Japanese race cars)?? Would it be expensive? Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/45426-thermal-shield-for-fmic-pipes/#findComment-1029406 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTRgeoff Posted September 28, 2004 Author Share Posted September 28, 2004 Try the neoprene that warpspeed recommends for down in there. You can purchase a real thermal tape from Revolution Racegear but it is expensive. Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/45426-thermal-shield-for-fmic-pipes/#findComment-1029792 Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted September 29, 2004 Share Posted September 29, 2004 I'm guessing you wouldn't put this Flashtec stuff on turbo water pipes, to protect them from heat perish that the comes with being so close to the turbo rear housing ?? Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/45426-thermal-shield-for-fmic-pipes/#findComment-1030141 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTRgeoff Posted September 29, 2004 Author Share Posted September 29, 2004 Not a great place for it, no. In that instance I would be off to revolution. Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/45426-thermal-shield-for-fmic-pipes/#findComment-1030361 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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