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Has anyone managed to get performance bracing on a NA Skyline? It doesn't even come with a rear sway bar.

I have a Apexi N1 Evolution Cat Back Exhaust with a 3.5 inch pipe and a 4.5 inch tip so will fitting be an issue?

Thanks for the help guys, just shout if I missed any details.

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No rear sway bar? I find that hard to believe...!

It's true! I thought it may have been removed by the original owner, or the japanese owner, however it's true, there are a few threads about it, however they never really confirmed a kit.

3.5" on an NA, thats a bad idea!

I didn't put it on! But no plans on removing

Firstly, we'll deal with my pet peeve. There's no such thing as a "sway bar". At least not in the context of a car not pulling a trailer. They are anti-roll bars.

Second, ARBs are not "performance bracing". They are just suspension components. NA Skylines are not performance cars. They were sold to Japanese who wanted a RWD Camry and drove them around like RWD Camrys. If you want to "tune" it, go right ahead. Nearly everything you can do to a turbo car you can do to an NA, including fitting a rear ARB. The bolt holes should at least be present in the floor. You just need the bar and the brackets.

"Performance bracing" on Skylines, if by that you mean strut tower braces and the like, are an almost total waste of time. As are most of the other bits of metal you can strap onto the car in various weird and wonderful places. Sure, they all do "something", but almost no-one really needs them. Especially on an NA car.

And I have to concur with 75coupe. Big exhausts on small NA 6s sound like arse crust.

Firstly, we'll deal with my pet peeve. There's no such thing as a "sway bar". At least not in the context of a car not pulling a trailer. They are anti-roll bars.

According to Wikipedia they're the exact same thing.

Second, ARBs are not "performance bracing". They are just suspension components. NA Skylines are not performance cars. They were sold to Japanese who wanted a RWD Camry and drove them around like RWD Camrys. If you want to "tune" it, go right ahead. Nearly everything you can do to a turbo car you can do to an NA, including fitting a rear ARB. The bolt holes should at least be present in the floor. You just need the bar and the brackets.

Okay you don't like the car, cool, but is it really necessary to attack someone else's car? You didn't even answer my question.

"Performance bracing" on Skylines, if by that you mean strut tower braces and the like, are an almost total waste of time. As are most of the other bits of metal you can strap onto the car in various weird and wonderful places. Sure, they all do "something", but almost no-one really needs them. Especially on an NA car.

Sorry, I would have bought a GTR if I could have but I'm just trying to work with what I've got and have some fun with my mates doing it, not trying to break any land speed records or set record times at the nurburgring. If this was about speed and performance I'd just take it to a shop and pay for it.

And I have to concur with 75coupe. Big exhausts on small NA 6s sound like arse crust.

To each his own I guess.

Edited by 00RORY

But is he referring to the sway bay "anti roll bar" or just saying he doesnt have a rear strut tower brace in the boot???

Because without the rear sway it would have very noticeably bad cornering

3.5" exhaust on na would not just sound bad its simply not needed, and would do more bad than good on na...

the term 'sway bar' is perfectly acceptable and I've yet to see anyone confused as to what the term refers to when discussing car related matters. Its name is also accurate, with its function to influence & control the sway/roll of the vee-hickle, as per dictionary definition of sway " To incline or bend to one side;".

Anyway yes you should get one if you don't have one and yes you have a right to be proud of your car but you should keep in mind if you're serious about moving to performance driving you should consider moving onto other options rather than spending a lot on an n/a car which is unlikely to deliver the overall performance result you're after without spending bank-heist loads of cash on it.

Oh, there's nothing wrong at all with perpetuating the use of the incorrect terms for things. Nothing at all. Progressively dumbing down the population is a laudable aim. Go for it.

Sway, by the way, means a side to side motion MUCH more than it means a motion in rotation about an axis, which is what body roll really is. Just try asking a suspension engineer at a race team to calculate the location of the sway axis on his car.

How we all doing?

Has anyone managed to get performance bracing on a NA Skyline? It doesn't even come with a rear sway bar.

I have a Apexi N1 Evolution Cat Back Exhaust with a 3.5 inch pipe and a 4.5 inch tip so will fitting be an issue?

Thanks for the help guys, just shout if I missed any details.

fit the swaybar mate, should help definitely. also look into some cheap but decent coilovers like BC. the cars not going to go particularly fast but you can make it handle very well and when driven properly, still embarrass people in the twisty bits.

good on you for looking properly into the handling of the car. your starting in the right place for modding.

i agree with most people, that exhaust is designed for a turbo engine where the turbo is dampening allot of the noise from the engine and the huge diameter is *atleast could possibly be* needed for the exhaust flow. on an NA is is grossly oversized.

the noise may be to your liking and in that case, cool, but i dare say after a while the drone, bark/farting, and general awfull noises will do your head in. i suggest have a listen to some better options and make a more informed decision. that being said, when i was a p,plater i made all the same usual bad choices :)

Oh, there's nothing wrong at all with perpetuating the use of the incorrect terms for things. Nothing at all. Progressively dumbing down the population is a laudable aim. Go for it.

Sway, by the way, means a side to side motion MUCH more than it means a motion in rotation about an axis, which is what body roll really is. Just try asking a suspension engineer at a race team to calculate the location of the sway axis on his car.

but hang on there G-Money, you're getting confused again with 'your opinion' being the 'correct term' and only possible option. Another equally correct (and for the purposes of sh*tstirring I will say 'more correct') term is 'stabilizer bar'. WHY aren't you calling it by its CORRECT name of stabilizer bar??

Also Vanilla Ice, ever seen a tree swaying in the wind? the upper branches sway in an arc from a lower roll centre, the whole tree doesn't evenly move side to side as one unit.

So you see MC Hammer, it's a petty point that only pedantic mofo's would bother making a deal about, and you've once again made me waste 5 minutes of my lunch break pointing this out.

Although if you would like to tell me how you feel about coilovers I am all ears.

PS Funkmaster Flex I give you full credit for having a fair amount of knowledge about car related stuff as I have said before, and am doing nothing more than trying to get you to not take it so serious, what's it matter if it's called sway bar, not like he's called it a hulahoop rod.

By all means fit a set of Stage II suspension components if you are so inclined but remember it all starts with a set of quality tyres, correctly inflated....and read Gary's thread above labelled "shockabsorber 101"

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