Joc Necessary If I Have A De-reg Certificate?

[LotusGTR]

Car is in AUS, so not importing but I suspect the people with the right knowledge will be in this forum. As the title suggests, I've got a copy of the de-reg certificate and it supports the klms on the car. Is there any need to get a JOC check done? Is it possible fake a de-reg certificate? I've only seen a jpg that has been emailed to me.

Many thanks.

[MP_R33]

Get the auction sheet. That will confirm kms and condition. No auction sheet = No deal from a dealer that is.

If it's private. Definitely do an odo check because there is no liability to the seller.

[Ben C34]

Post jpg of sheet here?

[r32-25t]

Yes it easy and very common to fake a dereg cert, only the last 2 time the car has been deregistered are recorded and what dealers have been doing is winding back the kms and then registering and deregistering the car twice in order to make the kms all line up

[NISMO]

Yes it easy and very common to fake a dereg cert, only the last 2 time the car has been deregistered are recorded and what dealers have been doing is winding back the kms and then registering and deregistering the car twice in order to make the kms all line up

Digging up an old thread.

Brett, if the above is the case, and if a seller/dealer/whoever says the car was not bought at auction, what other checks can you do?

Getting a dereg certificate from the likes of JOC would be pointless and a waste of money, if they're already supplying one with the car, and you're simply going to get the same thing.

[r32-25t]

If I got a dereg cert and it had 2 dates within weeks of each other I would just walk away from the car cause it's going to be dodgey

[dodgyimports]

and if a seller/dealer/whoever says the car was not bought at auction

They all say it wasn't bought at auction... it's the new line that comes after:

- One owner, LOW KMs, No accidents

- Owner was a little old Japanese lady, never drove the car

- Little old lady lost the logbooks - whoops!

- Japan is a small country, they don't drive far

- Japanese have rough hands so all that wear on the wheel/shift is normal

- Japanese don't like to put servicing stickers on their cars because they look ugly

- Oh and it wasn't bought at auction

Talk to any well reputed broker (J-Spec, Iron Chef, Prestige Motorsport) about how hard it is to buy vehicles in Japan through the local dealer networks. The chances an imported car was not bought at auction either directly by the importer or by their chosen Japanese exporter are extremely slim - buying at auction is too cheap and convenient.

If they can't supply the auction sheet AND de-registration certificate, see if you can get hold of them yourself or find another seller that can.

[NISMO]

They all say it wasn't bought at auction... it's the new line that comes after:

- One owner, LOW KMs, No accidents

- Owner was a little old Japanese lady, never drove the car

- Little old lady lost the logbooks - whoops!

- Japan is a small country, they don't drive far

- Japanese have rough hands so all that wear on the wheel/shift is normal

- Japanese don't like to put servicing stickers on their cars because they look ugly

- Oh and it wasn't bought at auction

Talk to any well reputed broker (J-Spec, Iron Chef, Prestige Motorsport) about how hard it is to buy vehicles in Japan through the local dealer networks. The chances an imported car was not bought at auction either directly by the importer or by their chosen Japanese exporter are extremely slim - buying at auction is too cheap and convenient.

If they can't supply the auction sheet AND de-registration certificate, see if you can get hold of them yourself or find another seller that can.

Any advice on how i can look up past auction cars?

[gmr]

Get both and get originals from either from JOC or Japanese History Check (for the auction sheet).

Last month I paid a deposit on an Evo V only to find out that the seller's auction sheet from Japanese History Check had been doctored. The photo shopped auction sheet had 84k. I sourced my own copy from JHC to find the car had 104k and details of the entire front end being cut and shut.

Prior to the Evo V I'd paid deposits on two other Evo 8MR's that also had wound back odometers. Over 100,000k in one case. To the seller's credit they all returned the deposits and should take the dealers to court (JOC have info on their page of recent litigation that was successful).

Do not buy an import car without both original copies of the de-reg cert and auction sheet. If you can't source it walk away imho and import yourself through Iron Chef, J-Spec, etc.

[Burger]

Any advice on how i can look up past auction cars?

You can look at past sold auction cars on J-Spec's site.

http://j-spec.com.au/recent