Vic Wasteland Thread - 15.0

[UNR33L]

SO the way I read this is that you are most likely to be placed in a remote community for 2 years....this is not going to be teaching at your local high school.

Dunno, apparently it's any high schools with poor results to help try and boost them up.. so could be anywhere but I doubt they'd offer you a high school in woop woop there was no mention of that in the presentation thing she attended at melb uni apparently they do some training at Deakin once a week or something though.

[emts]

yeah they not going to tell you that in a presso.

but yeah bottom 50% socio economic level schools.

[Birds]

That's the thing, this program is funded by department of education - basically yeah onboard any degrees (science, art students etc but NO teaching degrees) then after 2 years they get a masters of teaching (high school)

So yeah, no prerequisite degree to teach apart from what ever other degree you completed.

Edit: few months ago no, she didn't want to be a science teacher but now apparently she does lol

She always wanted to go into research, but yeah guess that's pretty hard to get into.

Another version of this has always been around. You can do, for example, a psychology degree and if you don't pursue a career in psychology you can do a graduate diploma in teaching (1.5 years or so) and then teach psychology at high school. It was on the cards for me before I went into marketing.

[emts]

Another version of this has always been around. You can do, for example, a psychology degree and if you don't pursue a career in psychology you can do a graduate diploma in teaching (1.5 years or so) and then teach psychology at high school. It was on the cards for me before I went into marketing.

the diff here is that you are getting paid to do the job whilst learning it.

not just spending another couple years at uni.

so much more attractive to some.

[UNR33L]

Another version of this has always been around. You can do, for example, a psychology degree and if you don't pursue a career in psychology you can do a graduate diploma in teaching (1.5 years or so) and then teach psychology at high school. It was on the cards for me before I went into marketing.

Big difference if you're getting paid and not paying uni!

But yeah basically a fast tracked career change

[alr33x]

http://www.teachforaustralia.org/

Well it's not really throwing away 3 years of your life, those 3 years basically qualified you to go into a school and teach (same as a actual teaching degree I guess?) / do this and get paid basically graduate teacher wages or paraprofessional what ever they call it.. after 2 years they'll probably onboard you and put you up to what ever teachers get paid - 60k? no idea, probably depends what you're teaching I guess

3-5 years study to earn $60k~ isn't ideal..

[UNR33L]

3-5 years study to earn $60k~ isn't ideal..

better than 3-4 years to earn $0 I suppose (cos art, science etc.)

apparently you can put in preference of school areas when you apply and its all metro/regional if they participate in it

Edited August 12, 2015 by UNR33L

[Leroy Peterson]

Whats the job availability and pay like for researchers? I assume not much out there

there are jobs, most have specific skill sets. So at a minimum for a decent research position you would want/need honours or masters or tie it to a PhD study.

Research assistant is starting point and you need to have something to say you're experienced in its area of study or else why would they pick you? $40-65k depending on field, location, responsibility, lab level etc.

Head of lab or head of a program or something pays better, you'd need some solid experience (multiple years studying/researching area of expertise)

Top dog is you somehow become a national/world leader in development/study of your field. Pay is pretty good, usually based at a university. get flown round the world for conferences, get on TV for 20sec interview if you're special or make a break-through etc.

Problem is most research contracts are 6-12months. so much depends on funding. a lot of maternity leave contracts, but then back to square one when you're done.

My mrs wants to get back into research and has been looking for a job in melb for almost 12 months. A bit around in Sydney. My sister went into genetics instead, specifically IVF. Science degree, 2 diplomas and $75,00 in HECS later and shes doing alright. Not a huge selection of places to work, but once you've got your foot in the door... (pretty much sums up science)

...or do what 70% of science students do: become a lecturer, teacher, lab tech or assistant in a different field (petrochem, food, medical testing etc)

[emts]

3-5 years study to earn $60k~ isn't ideal..

60 K doesn't meet the starting salary for a teacher...and they go up pretty quickly.

http://www.education.vic.gov.au/hrweb/Documents/Salary-Teacher.pdf

in my books 64K is a pretty good starting salary for a anyone.

and for teaching pick up some things like a home room teacher, or such and there extras on top of this.

Mate been a teacher for around 10 years and into the 6 figures so it doable.

this course your not a qualified teacher tho so it's a 45Kish start salary

still better than doing a dip ed earning nothing in same time.

http://www.education.vic.gov.au/hrweb/Documents/Salary-Paraprofessional.pdf

[Mohsen]

I literally can not think of anything at all I would like to do less.

wont be that bad, its not like ill lock you in a cage.

oh wait...

Stance will keep on her pants

Stance will make him prance

Stance still won't give Mohsen a chance

what was i thinking.

[joeyjoejoejuniorshabadoo]

3-5 years study to earn $60k~ isn't ideal..

That's enough for some people if they are doing what they love

[UNR33L]

We could all become train drivers and hate our jobs!

[alr33x]

That's enough for some people if they are doing what they love

Spose but plenty of ways to earn $60k without so many years in uni if your only striving to be at that income bracket - understand different if it's a passion

[emts]

Spose but plenty of ways to earn $60k without so many years in uni if your only striving to be at that income bracket - understand different if it's a passion

it's like nursing, your not doing it to be rich your doing it to give something back and make a difference.

Same as I could get Katie a job starting job here around 50% more than she currently on, after a degree, post grad and years of experience. but no way should would move out of nursing.

We could all become train drivers and hate our jobs!

yeah this really bugs me, train drivers starting salary 95K, nursing starting salary $50,856

seriously.

[UNR33L]

I started lower than that with my first i.t job but yeah no uni degree I guess

[emts]

33K for my first IT job..

and damn did it feel a lot at the time.

[Birds]

If the train driver's starting salary is so high because of suicides I might look into it lol

Couldn't give a fk if people kill themselves on my train

[UNR33L]

My boss said if you get 3 people jump in front of you you get retired?

[emts]

And no-one dies in hospitals from suicides or other after all.....

I could not deal with the boredom is the main bit oh and the crap uniform.

[emts]

My boss said if you get 3 people jump in front of you you get retired?

is that three in one hit?

this article references some-one who has been in 13 actidents is on FB tho so even less truth than hearld sun:

https://www.facebook.com/notes/help-hope-healing/a-train-drivers-torment-a-train-drivers-perspective-on-suicide-by-train/501654899914454

Metro did reference one who has been in 5 in this one.

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/hidden-tragedy-of-rail-suicides-20120603-1zq87.html

so not looking like lifetime payout.