Vic Wasteland Thread - 15.0

[Leroy Peterson]

January 2015, peak season. you can see the contributions of each of the generation types. brown and black coal to be replaced? not in the near future I dont think.

Victoria alone requires a capacity of over 11,000MW on demand. the record (January 2009-2010 i think) was over 10,500MW. Its been decreasing ever since then.

those are peak figures. peaks have been reducing but average demand has decreased as a whole. due to a number of factors, including:

Appliance efficiency, government efficiency programs, lower growth of wholesale customers, major industrial closures (Alcoa being the most notable), price of electricity, income, household solar.

[joeyjoejoejuniorshabadoo]

Commenting on renewable energy for the future and basing your decisions entirely off current tech is pretty stupid

[Birds]

pfft.

be sure to build up your GTR nice and gud for your children and grand kids.

if anyone is interested in a fairly simple explanation of the energy market: http://www.wattclarity.com.au/2009/10/some-benefits-of-curtailability/

sections 0 and 1.

A snapshot of solar/wind/hydro contributions on a national scale.

check out those peaks. with hydro being the only one interested in contributing base load. solar/wind will only contribute when they can and when its affordable (which is not often enough).

The dips in hydro are due to them halting production and using low prices to pump water back up the dam. its all about making money and dragging out years of service life.

My kids will be raised with aspirations of being security guards so they can serve me in this motherfkin life time, not the other way around

[Leroy Peterson]

Commenting on renewable energy for the future and basing your decisions entirely off current tech is pretty stupid

because the availability of solar and wind is going to change in the future?

batteries only help to smooth high demand on an hourly basis, and operates on the principle of taking energy from a source that would essentially contribute to the grid anyway.

in household applications it would reduce morning and evening peak loads. cheaper electricity or solar to charge the battery.

in generation it would be used for peak load only (during summer) because it can sell the energy for the most, while maximising battery life cycle. Not during the night when electricity is worth f**k-all and increasing battery replacement rate.

if a utility owned battery banks (which some do) they are only used during planned or unplanned outages.

at the end of the day its a market. and market means what is profitable. government funds usually around 50% of construction costs of large installations because otherwise theres no incentive to do it (renewable or not). no one will flick the switch in a system due to whats the most environmentally friendly.

[joeyjoejoejuniorshabadoo]

because the availability of solar and wind is going to change in the future?

No, because technology will improve and be able to harness them and other sources like the tides better in the future... duh

[Leroy Peterson]

you'll be sure to let us all know when your electricity prices drop.

(regardless of how its produced or delivered)

[joeyjoejoejuniorshabadoo]

Err... ok?

[Leroy Peterson]

in other words its not going to.

unless there are changes to your consumption.

and coal isnt going anywhere for a long while. its % contribution will just reduce.

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Professor Leroy

PHD is Energy resources

[joeyjoejoejuniorshabadoo]

in other words its not going to.

unless there are changes to your consumption.

and coal isnt going anywhere for a long while. its % contribution will just reduce.

Unless new technology makes it happen, which was my point...

Renewable energy is constantly evolving and improving as it is clearly the way of the future. Relying on a finite resource that f**ks out planet is not.

[Birds]

I'd like to hear Captain Planet's thoughts on this topic

And in the interests of a fair democracy, Looten Plunder

[joeyjoejoejuniorshabadoo]

I'd like to hear Captain Planet's thoughts on this topic

Who? Adam Bandt?

[Leroy Peterson]

Professor Leroy

PHD is Energy resources

its my industry, but not my field or area of expertise.

in my experience, not much changes unless they are radical, already-proven methods/ideas. IEC 61850 is painstakingly slowly being introduced to Australia, even though it does so many things right the learning curve is enough to stop basically anyone from doing it in Aus (besides small private projects who adopt it on the most simple level). I missed out on work with it last month because I didnt have much experience with it. well if no one here uses it where does the experience come from? apparently the training courses arent enough. brb flying to germany to get XP then come home.

nuclear seems the way to go (with some R&D for the best method) but price and fear is enough to deter the important people. you could argue public opinion, but with so many people crying green tears, how much say do they really have?

[alr33x]

There was talk of him staying on.

Tax repeals: I'm guessing you are referring to the carbon tax. We had a system that penalized carbon emissions, and then scrapped it just as the rest of the civilized world is moving towards similar taxes and looking at us like some sort of giant oversized Alabama... because apparently coal is the way of the future.

Meanwhile electricity bills didn't reduce and the tax to GDP ratio is the second highest the country has ever seen.

Stopped the boats: Well this hasn't actually happened, we just spend the same amount of cash turning them around and keeping the media in the dark about operations while paying a prison company to run offshore detention centres.

Relations with Indonesia haven't been repaired at all. They hate us. Despite this being a labor issue Abbott still pissed them off pretty heavily over the Bali 9 thing and they have just gutted our beef expert market by 75% for no reason other than to f**k with us.

Free trade agreements are not exactly universally popular and have some fairly worrying elements to them, not least of which is the ability for external governments / companies to sue australia if we pass laws that decrease their profits.

No idea at all why everyone isn't sucking his dick...

Geez your selective on what you peddle.

If I had more time I'd point out the flaws in your argument but I'm too busy over here making truckloads of cash from foreign buyers

#hatersgonnahate

*no actual foreign buyers were used in the making of this post

[HEKT1K]

I don't think it is exactly aimed at the rhodes scholars in society

You mean like Tony Abbott?

[joeyjoejoejuniorshabadoo]

You mean like Tony Abbott?

Obviously

[joeyjoejoejuniorshabadoo]

Geez your selective on what you peddle.

If I had more time I'd point out the flaws in your argument but I'm too busy over here making truckloads of cash from foreign buyers

#hatersgonnahate

*no actual foreign buyers were used in the making of this post

How is that being selectve?

It's not like I've been pro Abbott until now.

[joeyjoejoejuniorshabadoo]

nuclear seems the way to go (with some R&D for the best method) but price and fear is enough to deter the important people. you could argue public opinion, but with so many people crying green tears, how much say do they really have?

It might be, but it needs a lot of refinement first and to stop relying on current materials. Aparently there is a nee type that uses spent fuel from conventional nuclear plants which could be interesting

[Birds]

But what do we do with the spent energy from those plants?

[Leroy Peterson]

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