Vic Wasteland Thread - 15.0

[emts]

just leave this here..

http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/overworked-vic-teachers-prepare-to-strike/news-story/ae9e8a10b1e00ea2a22bea9a4a993a81

 

would also comment that FIFO complain lots...but considering that I am currently doing teaching of IT via FIFO...

 

meh the beers are good.

[Leroy Peterson]

I can't comment on things I'm not familiar with, but I think this is a combination of 2 things:

1) Teachers union asking for a mile to try and secure a few inches.

2) people having an expectation of hard work = high pay.

Unfortunately for teachers, there are just SO many of them. I meet a lot of young people starting their working careers and have never met a teacher who wasn't working. Everyone else struggling to secure a meaningful job for months or years while teachers somehow seem to get work, like nurses. Maybe it has to do with uni placement and making contacts?
Or is it because hospitals and schools are necessary items semi-funded by the government and don't have the pressures of global markets and investors breathing down staff's necks? Schools don't even have management, it's just administration and the principal/vice. Teaching is up to the teachers and the content/requirements are dictated by bodies outside of the schook

[Birds]

Flat organization hierarchy = little opportunity for career progression besides standard payrises. When a teacher gets to ten years, if they don't secure a role in admin there is no further payrise based on their experience/growth, only indexed payrises.

It comes down to unions and strength in numbers = greater leverage. Most all humans feel entitled to what they can get and would do the same shit if we all had unions telling us we can get more / are worthy of a pay rise if we band together and do x. People don't like dealing with confrontation by themselves and there is a greater risk of losing by putting your single job on the line, having to negotiate by yourself, rather than hundreds/thousands at once. Teachers, like nurses and paramedics also have a unique leverage in that an organisation can shut down because of industrial action and pick up where it left off when it finishes. Children with career parents can't be babysat easily and patients in need of care need just that.

My problem with unions is it averages out the skill level into a single representation and assumes that all of them deserve a uniform pay rise including shitkickers. If individual office workers tried to negotiate by themselves the shitkickers would get laughed out of the room. Google the "better than average effect" for interesting psych studies on teachers where most will say they are better than average when this is literally inpossible.

[UNR33L]

It just goes around in circles.. teachers.. paramedics.. fireys.. 

Agree with your birds that they shouldn't all be thrown into the same basket, the ones that are actually good at what they do deserve more $ etc.

On another note, like 50% or more of people I know starting uni or still doing it right now are studying teaching at the moment  

Edited February 12, 2017 by UNR33L

[Down_Shift]

21 hours ago, UNR33L said:

Agree with your birds that they shouldn't all be thrown into the same basket, the ones that are actually good at what they do deserve more $ etc. 

 

^This!
Does my head in!

[Birds]

Agreeing with Birds?

[Down_Shift]

Maybe... agreeing with Leigh and Leigh is agreeing to Birds. 

[UNR33L]

Yeah birds, get ya facts straight m9

[UNR33L]

Recruiter calls about a 2 week contract role in the city.. mate I want a job not some 2 week bullshit that will make me miss out on REAL job interviews over the next 2 weeks.. seriously who takes those roles? pay was nothing special either 

Then this afternoon another recruiter calls me about a potential job.. "didn't have a chance to fully read your CV" but do you have experience in X and Y? no and no.. cya.

I'll now return to play some CS, dota 2 or wow on rotation. fml.. hopefully tomorrows interview goes good

Edited February 13, 2017 by UNR33L

[Daz]

Birds any update on the car?

[Odium]

From the people that I've known, the ones that are really good, get head hunted into the private system... There's plenty of money there for the right people.

[Count Grantleyish]

1 hour ago, Daz said:

Birds any update on the car?

ETA 2050 from last time I asked.

 

[Daz]

Any day now I'm sure  

[Birds]

3 hours ago, Daz said:

Birds any update on the car?

Going on sat for a visit, wanna cruise up?

[Down_Shift]

7 hours ago, UNR33L said:

Recruiter calls about a 2 week contract role in the city.. mate I want a job not some 2 week bullshit that will make me miss out on REAL job interviews over the next 2 weeks.. seriously who takes those roles? pay was nothing special either 

Then this afternoon another recruiter calls me about a potential job.. "didn't have a chance to fully read your CV" but do you have experience in X and Y? no and no.. cya.

I'll now return to play some CS, dota 2 or wow on rotation. fml.. hopefully tomorrows interview goes good

Which recruiter agency are you going through if you don't mind me asking.

[UNR33L]

11 minutes ago, Down_Shift said:

Which recruiter agency are you going through if you don't mind me asking.

Pretty much all of them, robert half, hays, interface, resource solutions group to name a few 

[Daz]

11 hours ago, Birds said:

Going on sat for a visit, wanna cruise up?

My car won't be ready for a couple of weeks. 

[Birds]

3 hours ago, Daz said:

My car won't be ready for a couple of weeks. 

Now who's car has the ETA

[Kinkstaah]

not mine

edit: yet

[Down_Shift]

Day time TV needs to be more interesting!