Vic Wasteland Thread - 15.0

[Birds]

1 hour ago, Odium said:

Boost or Intake leak = overboosting turbo (correct psi by the time it got to the engine) = overheated turbo = warped / cracked exhaust manifold. My day was over by midday.

No worries about the helmet, never put blocks in place that stop people from getting out onto the track. We've got future track day participants to take care of!


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Put your

Put your dick on it

[Birds]

31 minutes ago, Leroy Peterson said:

Give it till the 22nd for results... At the moment its happy building solid base, im happy it hasnt gone spastic high and then everyone dumps within 24hours.

Am sad it's doing what it's doing...having bought a house I have no significant monies to throw at it at the moment

[Birds]

4 hours ago, Kinkstaah said:

Only problem with E85 is that it allows you to push so hard on the tune you will break the next thing up the chain as it will never ping.

This ain't so good if you have metal head gaskets, head studs, stronger pistons, rods, crank because when they aren't the weakest point you end up Gregging it™

98 isn't a bad idea as it stops you from going too insane, its a built in safety measure of sorts to make sure the rest of your setup is actually going well. E85 is like fuel-steroids. You can get the 'right' power on 98 in a Skyline at least to the point where everything else starts to become a limitation. You may not get forum and instagram #efame but you will be able to have fun with the vehicle and have a modicum of reliability and do more than hardpark it and fap over a dyno sheet if you go full retard with timing. (or full advance on timing, really)

If you're shifting the performance of your engine into territory that breaks things then that's yours or your tuner's fault, not E85. E85 can take more timing than 98 but that doesn't mean you have to knife edge the tune any more than 98.

This is why you start with E85 and aim for the power figure you have in mind using that fuel. Don't use it as a tool to get another 50rwkw out of an already traction-and-parts-breaking setup, use it to help a smaller turbo give you the same top end power with a fatter midrange, significantly better response, cooler engine temps and smoother idle. Then switching to E85 will be safer than 98. You also don't have to drive the car as hard to get good performance out of it.

[Kinkstaah]

7 minutes ago, Birds said:

If you're shifting the performance of your engine into territory that breaks things then that's yours or your tuner's fault, not E85. E85 can take more timing than 98 but that doesn't mean you have to knife edge the tune any more than 98.

This is why you start with E85 and aim for the power figure you have in mind using that fuel. Don't use it as a tool to get another 50rwkw out of an already traction-and-parts-breaking setup, use it to help a smaller turbo give you the same top end power with a fatter midrange, significantly better response, cooler engine temps and smoother idle. Then switching to E85 will be safer than 98. You also don't have to drive the car as hard to get good performance out of it.

Thats the thing, not many people are splitting blocks with 400kw, but if you run as much timing as I was running (which was really wild, looking back) the car will "run fine" and E85 will not give you any indication you are near a knife edge at all.

It will continue to make power and continue to take timing and continue to respond "well" even though you're well into imminent death zone. Unlike 98 which will ping, E85 will give you no such warning.

I now run E85 with basically the same timing (2 deg) as 98. That said my 98 tune is more conservative than most people's run in tunes, so E85 is essentially in there for safety only.

You can do crazy things with E85 (like say, add 15 deg of timing!) but don't. It's best not to make your first point of failure the engine block.
I since compared many maps with many other cars at the Dyno making similar power and ones making much much more.

I now get unreasonably worried when I see -9 setups on GTRs making 320kw on 98 and 390kw on E85, people making 370kw on -5's  and 450 on E85 and think oh damn there's gonna be some issues there soon.

[Leroy Peterson]

Let them GTR owners worry about bi-decade rebuilds, dyno sheets and circle jetting. just focus on reliability for yours,which sounds like has been good so far.

 

 

[Birds]

46 minutes ago, Kinkstaah said:

Thats the thing, not many people are splitting blocks with 400kw, but if you run as much timing as I was running (which was really wild, looking back) the car will "run fine" and E85 will not give you any indication you are near a knife edge at all.

It will continue to make power and continue to take timing and continue to respond "well" even though you're well into imminent death zone. Unlike 98 which will ping, E85 will give you no such warning.

I now run E85 with basically the same timing (2 deg) as 98. That said my 98 tune is more conservative than most people's run in tunes, so E85 is essentially in there for safety only.

You can do crazy things with E85 (like say, add 15 deg of timing!) but don't. It's best not to make your first point of failure the engine block.
I since compared many maps with many other cars at the Dyno making similar power and ones making much much more.

I now get unreasonably worried when I see -9 setups on GTRs making 320kw on 98 and 390kw on E85, people making 370kw on -5's  and 450 on E85 and think oh damn there's gonna be some issues there soon.

I don't understand this - what do you think split your block if not too much power or poor structural integrity? Pre-ignition? Not all blocks are the same and the N1 was created for a reason. Hamish did a bottom end with ~300rwkw.

People break engines all the time on 98 without warning signs. It's no safer. For reasons I suggested before, E85 is much safer when shooting for the same power level. I'd even wager it's still safer with a bit more power than the 98 tune.

I feel like you're saying 98 is safer because it will detonate before you get to unsafe power levels - if that is the point then it's moot when you can just not aim for the skies and be careful about your power levels.

[Kinkstaah]

24 minutes ago, Birds said:

I don't understand this - what do you think split your block if not too much power or poor structural integrity? Pre-ignition? Not all blocks are the same and the N1 was created for a reason. Hamish did a bottom end with ~300rwkw.

People break engines all the time on 98 without warning signs. It's no safer. For reasons I suggested before, E85 is much safer when shooting for the same power level. I'd even wager it's still safer with a bit more power than the 98 tune.

I feel like you're saying 98 is safer because it will detonate before you get to unsafe power levels - if that is the point then it's moot when you can just not aim for the skies and be careful about your power levels.

We're saying much the same thing I think

Did he do a bottom end by cracking the bores themselves? If so I was unaware. I would wager the amount of timing is was advanced I was basically compressing an explosion. It is possible that the 34 block is just weaker (somehow, it doesnt look to be any different), but there's plenty of people making much more than me out there humming along just fine.

Should the tuner in this case have said "Dude the timing numbers here are way beyond literally any car Ive ever tuned?" instead of "Gee this engine really likes timing"? Yeah probably. I'd wager that won't be said again and the magic E85 envelope won't be pushed that hard again.

I'm not saying E85 isn't safer than 98, it is.
On the same turbo making the same power the E85 is much safer.

Whether going a larger turbo making 300kw on 98 vs a smaller turbo on E85 I am on the fence about. It's really pretty hard/impossible to know.

Being safe and sensible is the best idea. E85 can let you press way further on the same hardware and it is "Safe" in the sense it gives you no indication things are about to go south quickly. You can run 10+deg or more timing and get 70 "Free" KW!

You simply can't push that hard on 98 because the fuel itself is going to stop you, so you can back off at that point (i.e dont run it on a knife edge) and enjoy the car. There is no such thing as a truly free lunch. Run a few degrees of timing over your 98 but don't look a gift horse in the mouth

Your own car's performance at 270kw is a good testament to keeping it simple.

If I could refund everything I'd ever done I'd want a LS in my car instead. Make the magic 270-300kw as lazily as possible!

[dezz]

Last time 88e was this high it was cliff diving shortly after my initial purchase...

[UNR33L]

2 hours ago, Kinkstaah said:

Thats the thing, not many people are splitting blocks with 400kw, but if you run as much timing as I was running (which was really wild, looking back) the car will "run fine" and E85 will not give you any indication you are near a knife edge at all.

who tuned it?

[Kinkstaah]

You all know I can't say that on SAU.

[UNR33L]

Just tell me if it starts with R or C?  you can say that..

Nothing against any of them more curious, taken my car to both

[dezz]

There's no rule against saying where you got your car tuned.

[Birds]

1 hour ago, Kinkstaah said:

We're saying much the same thing I think

Did he do a bottom end by cracking the bores themselves? If so I was unaware. I would wager the amount of timing is was advanced I was basically compressing an explosion. It is possible that the 34 block is just weaker (somehow, it doesnt look to be any different), but there's plenty of people making much more than me out there humming along just fine.

Should the tuner in this case have said "Dude the timing numbers here are way beyond literally any car Ive ever tuned?" instead of "Gee this engine really likes timing"? Yeah probably. I'd wager that won't be said again and the magic E85 envelope won't be pushed that hard again.

I'm not saying E85 isn't safer than 98, it is.
On the same turbo making the same power the E85 is much safer.

Whether going a larger turbo making 300kw on 98 vs a smaller turbo on E85 I am on the fence about. It's really pretty hard/impossible to know.

Being safe and sensible is the best idea. E85 can let you press way further on the same hardware and it is "Safe" in the sense it gives you no indication things are about to go south quickly. You can run 10+deg or more timing and get 70 "Free" KW!

You simply can't push that hard on 98 because the fuel itself is going to stop you, so you can back off at that point (i.e dont run it on a knife edge) and enjoy the car. There is no such thing as a truly free lunch. Run a few degrees of timing over your 98 but don't look a gift horse in the mouth

Your own car's performance at 270kw is a good testament to keeping it simple.

If I could refund everything I'd ever done I'd want a LS in my car instead. Make the magic 270-300kw as lazily as possible!

This isn't a difficult decision. Smaller turbo with E85. The turbo isn't being driven any harder to make the same power, intake temps are therefore the same and less. My 275kw on E85 is the same boost (15psi) as the 252kw tune on 98. Same tuner, same degree of safety in both tunes. And that's just the top end power difference, which is admittedly choked by the small comp housing. Midrange picked up a full 40rwkw, same boost, just more timing. At these power levels the components have been safe for 5+ years of daily stick giving. It's about picking an appropriate power level for your components and finding the safest and most beneficial way of getting there. That is without question E85 and a smaller turbo! Open your engine or aim for the skies and you're asking for it. I think you know this now though, given your retrospective desire for an LS conversion...which I still think could be negated by the tried and true highflowed RB25.

[emts]

anyone remember krystof from SAU a few years back, 

R33 GTR and a Stagea RS260

 

https://www.vicpolicenews.com.au/news/warrants-issued-for-kryzstof-chorazy

[Borci88]

8 hours ago, Kinkstaah said:

Thats the thing, not many people are splitting blocks with 400kw, but if you run as much timing as I was running (which was really wild, looking back) the car will "run fine" and E85 will not give you any indication you are near a knife edge at all.

It will continue to make power and continue to take timing and continue to respond "well" even though you're well into imminent death zone. Unlike 98 which will ping, E85 will give you no such warning.

If you continue to tune an RB beyond what the known limits of certain parts are, just because E85 is allowing it to keep going no problem... then you shouldn't be touching a tune file in the first place.

[Birds]

2 hours ago, emts said:

anyone remember krystof from SAU a few years back, 

R33 GTR and a Stagea RS260

 

https://www.vicpolicenews.com.au/news/warrants-issued-for-kryzstof-chorazy

 @krzysztof ?

Dude looks like a cross between Patrick and Grant

[TiTAN]

But what are you getting at?

 

I completely missed emts post.

 

He definitely has grants crazy hair.

[Mohsen]

56 minutes ago, Birds said:

 @krzysztof ?

Dude looks like a cross between Patrick and Grant

I f**king spat my drink out hahahahahahhaa

 

anyone want to buy my rb26?

going a different, torquey kebab path.

[blah_blah]

7 hours ago, Mohsen said:

I f**king spat my drink out hahahahahahhaa

 

anyone want to buy my rb26?

going a different, torquey kebab path.

Are you building this car for your great grandchildren?

Seems like you havent had a finished car since 1908

[emts]

8 hours ago, Birds said:

 @krzysztof ?

Dude looks like a cross between Patrick and Grant

seems to be him