Vic Wasteland Thread - 15.0

[Leroy Peterson]

Headaches wont be a problem as id be just paying someone else to take on the problem 

Lol famous last words.
Read through piggaz thread and see the effort he has gone to to get him happy with using the turbo (i know its piggaz, and he has endless cash, but its certainly a lot of work and ECU shit too).

[blah_blah]

Lol famous last words.
Read through piggaz thread and see the effort he has gone to to get him happy with using the turbo (i know its piggaz, and he has endless cash, but its certainly a lot of work and ECU shit too).

Not sure the details of his build but didn't take Greg long to switch from a gtx to efr timeframe wise?

[admS15]

5 minutes ago, blah_blah said:

 

Not sure the details of his build but didn't take Greg long to switch from a gtx to efr timeframe wise?

 

Doesn't take Greg long to do anything. Especially destruction, that's his specialty. You shouldn't base your thoughts on Gregs experiences. I'm sure he'll tell or has told you that personally.

[blah_blah]

24 minutes ago, admS15 said:

Doesn't take Greg long to do anything. Especially destruction, that's his specialty. You shouldn't base your thoughts on Gregs experiences. I'm sure he'll tell or has told you that personally.

Experience must be good if he's willing to sell everything on the R34 apart from his turbo kit 

[admS15]

Experience must be good if he's willing to sell everything on the R34 apart from his turbo kit 

True but that's the only thing that hasn't blown up, yet...[emoji95]

[UNR33L]

Enough skyline talk.

88e

e85 e85 e85 

Smashed avocado 

800k etc.

 

Also birds your GTR should be external gated too <3 

[emts]

stuff that..first miami v8 AWD GTR conversion.

with stage 3 mods

 

and NOS...... 2 of them.......the big ones

[Count Grantleyish]

NOS...... 2 of them.......the big ones

By tonight Harry.

[Count Grantleyish]

Experience must be good if he's willing to sell everything on the R34 apart from his turbo kit 

Alternatively, you can buy his GTX35.

[emts]

4 minutes ago, Count Grantleyish said:

 

By tonight Barry.

 

Fixed

[UNR33L]

Don't understand how mechanics can delay projects so long and the customer not crack the shits at them, shit wouldn't fly in most other industries.

I'd be picking the car up, cya later going to another shop

[blah_blah]

2 minutes ago, UNR33L said:

Don't understand how mechanics can delay projects so long and the customer not crack the shits at them, shit wouldn't fly in most other industries.

I'd be picking the car up, cya later going to another shop

Agreed, if i did that to any of clients they would have left.

Given that to build an engine assuming if you had all parts on hand and were working on it full time would only take a few days, but these cars just end up sitting in the corner for months 

[Count Grantleyish]

Don't understand how mechanics can delay projects so long and the customer not crack the shits at them, shit wouldn't fly in most other industries.
I'd be picking the car up, cya later going to another shop

For me, it's partly my fault cos I changed a couple of things along the way.

Simple 2 weeks job turned into nearly 3 months and counting. They noticed an issue and spent some time chasing it to find nothing out of ordinary then I decided I want something else.

My credit card's gonna take a beating for sure!

[Kinkstaah]

1 hour ago, blah_blah said:

 

Not sure the details of his build but didn't take Greg long to switch from a gtx to efr timeframe wise?

It honestly depends on how happy you are and how much time/money you have.
Anything can ultimately fit and one person's easy is another person's impossibly difficult.

EFR's typically run about ~3000-3200.
Manifold and coating + shipping is $1750 ish. It took 8 weeks to arrive correctly.
External gate costs $600+ unless you find one second hand.
Fabrication work I needed would cost $2000 at Havoc.
You'll need to buy a pod filter, so that's another $100.
You will need to buy lines, GCG sell a kit for $400.
Heat beanie on turbo? $200-400 depending on brand.
Heat shielding for the "heat proof" lines kit GCG gave me? Another $300-350.
Vaccum lines, hose clamps, zip ties, random shit = $100
Tows to and from workshops/fabricator/AC place/To tuner = ????
20 hours of Labor = ?????
Tune = ????? (I DIY'ed mine and got it checked to be perfect in an hour, yay me)

It can get expensive, even if you do all your stuff yourself.

Other stuff:

Aircon line fouled, had to remove it at friends place with hoist. Do not attempt to do this because while we de-gassed the system (and had to abandon the garage, which was large... for 30 minutes, it also snap froze the welding glove being used to do it.
Then when it was de-pressurized, we removed the fitting to take the line off. An explosion happened, green "Stuff" went everywhere and we both held our breath and abandoned the garage again. It ended up costing $330 to get fixed later/re-fabbed and re-gassed.
We had to trim the bolt from an engine mount to fit the manifold too.

VS:
GTX.. buy turbo. Shit, buy one second hand! 3071's are cheaper than 3582's and EFR's.
Bolt on.
Reuse everything you already have. This assume your setup is good and working fine. Given you've kept it multiple years I'm going with yes.
Don't need to sell the 'extras' later. If you aren't DIY'ing the swap, you will save massively on labor.

Keep in mind my car is a 2.8, with a 3076 sized turbo running 17psi with a high stall converter. All of these things amplify torque and response a lot.
Most people go an 8374 with a 2.6 and say its possibly too small, let alone a smaller turbo with more motor.

I would sell my engine bay if someone gave me half of what it cost to do it. There is a vicious curve of diminishing returns at life above 300-320kw, and I can't honestly 'recommend' it unless you have the funds where it doesn't matter much to you, in which case I am more often saying "Buy a golf R with an APR tune" instead nowadays.

[emts]

mine was also near on 3 months, but mainly as I was in Germany for a period so we set expectations and dates when I first went in.

we had a time line with payment milestones and regular emails with status along the way

 

Had car back to them day after I returned (was keeping it at home during the build) and driving it the next weekend.

 

 

[Kinkstaah]

26 minutes ago, UNR33L said:

Don't understand how mechanics can delay projects so long and the customer not crack the shits at them, shit wouldn't fly in most other industries.

I'd be picking the car up, cya later going to another shop

The thing is, there is no "another shop" to go to

All shops act this way, that would work on these motors.

[blah_blah]

30 minutes ago, Kinkstaah said:

It honestly depends on how happy you are and how much time/money you have.
Anything can ultimately fit and one person's easy is another person's impossibly difficult.

EFR's typically run about ~3000-3200.
Manifold and coating + shipping is $1750 ish. It took 8 weeks to arrive correctly.
External gate costs $600+ unless you find one second hand.
Fabrication work I needed would cost $2000 at Havoc.
You'll need to buy a pod filter, so that's another $100.
You will need to buy lines, GCG sell a kit for $400.
Heat beanie on turbo? $200-400 depending on brand.
Heat shielding for the "heat proof" lines kit GCG gave me? Another $300-350.
Vaccum lines, hose clamps, zip ties, random shit = $100
Tows to and from workshops/fabricator/AC place/To tuner = ????
20 hours of Labor = ?????
Tune = ????? (I DIY'ed mine and got it checked to be perfect in an hour, yay me)

It can get expensive, even if you do all your stuff yourself.

Other stuff:

Aircon line fouled, had to remove it at friends place with hoist. Do not attempt to do this because while we de-gassed the system (and had to abandon the garage, which was large... for 30 minutes, it also snap froze the welding glove being used to do it.
Then when it was de-pressurized, we removed the fitting to take the line off. An explosion happened, green "Stuff" went everywhere and we both held our breath and abandoned the garage again. It ended up costing $330 to get fixed later/re-fabbed and re-gassed.
We had to trim the bolt from an engine mount to fit the manifold too.

VS:
GTX.. buy turbo. Shit, buy one second hand! 3071's are cheaper than 3582's and EFR's.
Bolt on.
Reuse everything you already have. This assume your setup is good and working fine. Given you've kept it multiple years I'm going with yes.
Don't need to sell the 'extras' later. If you aren't DIY'ing the swap, you will save massively on labor.

Keep in mind my car is a 2.8, with a 3076 sized turbo running 17psi with a high stall converter. All of these things amplify torque and response a lot.
Most people go an 8374 with a 2.6 and say its possibly too small, let alone a smaller turbo with more motor.

I would sell my engine bay if someone gave me half of what it cost to do it. There is a vicious curve of diminishing returns at life above 300-320kw, and I can't honestly 'recommend' it unless you have the funds where it doesn't matter much to you, in which case I am more often saying "Buy a golf R with an APR tune" instead nowadays.

My aircon line is redone and re-routed because it blew last time on a racepace dyno. Cooler piping i was planning to get re-done atm, as it's massively long with a million bits that keeps popping on the track.

Yeah agreed what you are saying if i was going to go down a simple route of a simple swap then yeah GTX might be the way to go.

If i went down the path and going yolo ext gate, highmount then EFR.

 

At the moment its whether or not to put $$ and effort into a car i drive a few kms on the weekends. Honestly if i needed a daily for work i would prob just buy an E92 M3. But atm don't need one and feel like spending money on something #yolo

 

 

[Leroy Peterson]

Don't understand how mechanics can delay projects so long and the customer not crack the shits at them, shit wouldn't fly in most other industries.
I'd be picking the car up, cya later going to another shop

If only it were that simple.
I contemplated it many times, because 2nd engine job was almost at cost price so they weren't making any money, so day-to-day jobs would cut the queue... For about 4 months.

[UNR33L]

32 minutes ago, Kinkstaah said:

The thing is, there is no "another shop" to go to

All shops act this way, that would work on these motors.

I'd rather give them the ultimatum of a end date and if they don't finish on time you're not paying for anything and picking the car up? try the next shop, rinse and repeat. 

If they agree on a timeframe they should meet it. 

[Birds]

1 hour ago, UNR33L said:

Enough skyline talk.

88e

e85 e85 e85 

Smashed avocado 

800k etc.

 

Also birds your GTR should be external gated too <3 

Hate external gates

No mod is more offensive to everyone around you and your own ears. Better for power sure, but the evo that drove past the other day and sounded like a cat being mauled reminded me why I don't like them