Vic Wasteland Thread - 15.0

[blah_blah]

5 minutes ago, Birds said:

Hate external gates

No mod is more offensive to everyone around you and your own ears. Better for power sure, but the evo that drove past the other day and sounded like a cat being mauled reminded me why I don't like them

Depends how it is setup i spose

I wouldnt have it going to a screamer pipe but prob just plumbed back in

 

I'd say greg's external gated setup sounds quieter than mine

[Kinkstaah]

14 minutes ago, blah_blah said:

My aircon line is redone and re-routed because it blew last time on a racepace dyno. Cooler piping i was planning to get re-done atm, as it's massively long with a million bits that keeps popping on the track.

Yeah agreed what you are saying if i was going to go down a simple route of a simple swap then yeah GTX might be the way to go.

If i went down the path and going yolo ext gate, highmount then EFR.

At the moment its whether or not to put $$ and effort into a car i drive a few kms on the weekends. Honestly if i needed a daily for work i would prob just buy an E92 M3. But atm don't need one and feel like spending money on something #yolo

 

 

Your piping surely ain't worse than mine - It should not "blow off" the track and my piping is with a return flow and standard plenum, I mean, you saw it. Save your money. Get clamps, better joiners, etc. My stock piping was fine with a return flow cooler at 420kw in Auto land (which I calculated is 13-15% power loss over manual).

If you are mmmming and ahhh'ing about an E92 M3 then budget is not an issue
I still think that something sitting in a garage is sad. Best mod for speed isn't EFR or GTX, for most people it is Driver mod. Save yourself 7K and do 7K worth of track days in the thing!

[Kinkstaah]

16 minutes ago, UNR33L said:

I'd rather give them the ultimatum of a end date and if they don't finish on time you're not paying for anything and picking the car up? try the next shop, rinse and repeat. 

If they agree on a timeframe they should meet it. 

This results in you doing this to every shop that exists, and having no car at the end of it.
They will also charge you for the half done job that has completed, parts etc.
The next place will just say "I do not want the job"

[Count Grantleyish]

Hate external gates
No mod is more offensive to everyone around you and your own ears. Better for power sure, but the evo that drove past the other day and sounded like a cat being mauled reminded me why I don't like them

Not to mention cops and legit roady places don't agree with external gates.

Both are the reason I haven't go with single setup in the R.

[blah_blah]

35 minutes ago, Kinkstaah said:

Your piping surely ain't worse than mine - It should not "blow off" the track and my piping is with a return flow and standard plenum, I mean, you saw it. Save your money. Get clamps, better joiners, etc. My stock piping was fine with a return flow cooler at 420kw in Auto land (which I calculated is 13-15% power loss over manual).

If you are mmmming and ahhh'ing about an E92 M3 then budget is not an issue
I still think that something sitting in a garage is sad. Best mod for speed isn't EFR or GTX, for most people it is Driver mod. Save yourself 7K and do 7K worth of track days in the thing!

Nah mine is also return flow so lots of piping. Have already redone the hoses and new clamps with the Norma tension ones, just want it done simplier so i dont have meters of piping and therefore less of a chance of it popping off.

Track days cant say i enjoy that much with the current setup, would get more enjoyment out of my recent activities of playing Quake 2  A better setup may or my views on track day enjoyment levels

 

 

 

8 minutes ago, Count Grantleyish said:

 

Not to mention cops and legit roady places don't agree with external gates.

Both are the reason I haven't go with single setup in the R.

 

I was told this is an emissions issue not a roadworthy issue?

[UNR33L]

Fark I better start an RB performance shop then, and my motto will be "we'll finish your car in less than 6 months!" 

Who's in? shares start at 800k

[admS15]

5 minutes ago, blah_blah said:

Nah mine is also return flow so lots of piping. Have already redone the hoses and new clamps with the Norma tension ones, just want it done simplier so i dont have meters of piping and therefore less of a chance of it popping off.

Track days cant say i enjoy that much with the current setup, would get more enjoyment out of my recent activities of playing Quake 2  A better setup may or my views on track day enjoyment levels

 

 

 

I was told this is an emissions issue not a roadworthy issue?

Emissions is part of roadworthy

[Birds]

7 minutes ago, UNR33L said:

I'd rather give them the ultimatum of a end date and if they don't finish on time you're not paying for anything and picking the car up? try the next shop, rinse and repeat. 

If they agree on a timeframe they should meet it. 

Incoming tl;dr

Workshops have a lien over vehicles, where they can keep it until you've paid the bill, so not paying isn't an option unless you wanna fk around with VCAT...thus leaving a project half way through leaves you out of pocket, with a project that other workshops will be reluctant to finish for you and won't guarantee the work on. Not to mention logistics of moving a car with no engine and the engine itself. When workshops have work queuing out the door they won't care about your ultimatum - they'll tell you to come get it and pay what you owe. I think that they should be upfront with new customers, but the problem with being completely honest is you send all your customers to your competitors who do essentially the same thing and win the business with false promises of doing it sooner. Barry never gave me exact timeframes and a lot of workshops who do these jobs secondary to their normal business won't agree to exact timeframes.

Can't comment on other workshops, but how it is for Edge: Barry is quick with urgent matters and repairs - did the head gasket on my daily GTS-T in the space of a week and has helped me out with a lot of other things too, at no cost. Also awesome to just hang with him and other customers/friends for hours on a Saturday talking cars and shit - it's like a family (inb4 hijacking trucks in Skylines). Project cars and performance modifications are secondary business for him...building engines at 2am etc...and there's a queue of these about a mile long to get through, for good reason - he has a reputation for reliable and cheap work. He doesn't do these kind of projects for money; they aren't profitable like the RWC and general servicing which is mainstay of the business. He does them for the love of cars, as an enthusiast, hence project completion times border on DIY enthusiast project times. Throw in young family and I'm surprised he's there as much as he is. But after decades of working on these cars he still gets excited about dyno figures and big/new turbos, drag races, Toyota vs Nissan etc. He's also got amazing knowledge and precision with RB engines, which for many is worth the wait. I always give workshops their own time and space to do things - got a free full respray with this attitude. And once Barry does eventually get to your engine/car, stuff gets done reasonably quickly.

Can't speak for everyone else, but I'm fortunate enough to be in a position where I'm 50/50...yes I'd love to have my car back, but I also don't have fantastic storage at the moment and buying a house means I can do without a sizeable bill for a while. Paying rego sucks on a car you can't drive, but still cheaper than storage and the car is increasing in value, so negated somewhat. I'm in no rush.

[Birds]

23 minutes ago, UNR33L said:

Fark I better start an RB performance shop then, and my motto will be "we'll finish your car in less than 6 months!" 

Who's in? shares start at 800k

Performance shop is one business I would never be in lol. Wait til customers start throwing eBay parts at you and expecting them to work / blaming you for them not, or telling you they can get stuff done cheaper elsewhere!

[Birds]

30 minutes ago, blah_blah said:

Nah mine is also return flow so lots of piping. Have already redone the hoses and new clamps with the Norma tension ones, just want it done simplier so i dont have meters of piping and therefore less of a chance of it popping off.

Track days cant say i enjoy that much with the current setup, would get more enjoyment out of my recent activities of playing Quake 2  A better setup may or my views on track day enjoyment levels

 

 

 

I was told this is an emissions issue not a roadworthy issue?

A not so nice cop will let the EPA deal with it alone / all you have to do is clear it at a workshop

A real prick will give you a NOU based on the EPA violation which means getting a RWC too

Pettett will give you the $700 fine to go with the NOU

[blah_blah]

16 minutes ago, Birds said:

A not so nice cop will let the EPA deal with it alone / all you have to do is clear it at a workshop

A real prick will give you a NOU based on the EPA violation which means getting a RWC too

Pettett will give you the $700 fine to go with the NOU

Intradasting.

 

Greg please respond. Stop hanging out at Daniels donuts and highway patrols on Prinny Hwy

[blah_blah]

45 minutes ago, admS15 said:

Emissions is part of roadworthy

Can it be argued that due to E85 ull pass it anyway with the shop? I think this was Gregs plan

As it not argue with the cop but the workshop issuing the RWC

[Birds]

5 minutes ago, blah_blah said:

Can it be argued that due to E85 ull pass it anyway with the shop? I think this was Gregs plan

As it not argue with the cop but the workshop issuing the RWC

In a sensible world this would work

But modifications (aftermarket ECU, more than one intake mod etc.) have been deemed illegal irrespective of the actual CO emissions of the car, hence you won't pass.

Ash found this out when his RB26 R31 put out less emissions than the factory levels - emissions being too low were how they discovered he had an aftermarket ECU. Test failed. EPA logic.

[Kinkstaah]

There isn't actually much in the RWC documentation (read it!) about Emissions.
RWC people pick stuff as "un RWC" which is not listed in the Handbook at all.
"But I need pictures!!11" they say. Cool, take a picture and link the actual documentation which doesn't mention this.

It is at best, extremely vague.

[Count Grantleyish]

Some people get lucky, some don't.

And some people are willing to pay for dodgy ones, example: a guy at work who have Supra with GT35R, because he said no legit roadworthy places would touch it.

[emts]

on the supra comments from the other day...

 

http://www.hartfordtoyota.com/used/Toyota/1998-Toyota-Supra-Hartford-CT-ab608d340a0e0ae8284806093aacd192.htm

 

125K USD for a supra...

[Birds]

12 minutes ago, Kinkstaah said:

There isn't actually much in the RWC documentation (read it!) about Emissions.
RWC people pick stuff as "un RWC" which is not listed in the Handbook at all.
"But I need pictures!!11" they say. Cool, take a picture and link the actual documentation which doesn't mention this.

It is at best, extremely vague.

This and police have discretionary powers in all the wrong places - raising revenue, do what you like, stopping a violent criminal, paperwork and evidence needed.

[Birds]

3 minutes ago, emts said:

on the supra comments from the other day...

 

http://www.hartfordtoyota.com/used/Toyota/1998-Toyota-Supra-Hartford-CT-ab608d340a0e0ae8284806093aacd192.htm

 

125K USD for a supra...

Rich McAllister Jr.

Struggling to think of a more American name

[TiTAN]

I can't honestly 'recommend' it unless you have the funds where it doesn't matter much to you, in which case I am more often saying "Buy a golf R with an APR tune" instead nowadays.

Exactly the route I am taking.

[Count Grantleyish]

Exactly the route I am taking.

What did you buy MK6 or 7?