Vic Wasteland Thread - 15.0

[joeyjoejoejuniorshabadoo]

Far as i could tell from an SAU day there. I know NOTHING about detailing though

[Birds]

That was the Abbott promise. Was meant to be $550 p/a

Personally I copped a $100 reduction and a $90 charge for implementing it.... not that the government can be blamed for the implementation charge but I mentioned it as it's pretty funny

Temporary refund adjustment! Good thing they passed the savings on to the consumer.

Wow do admin charges for something that realistically takes 30 seconds or no time to do in an automated system piss me off. At least call it what it is.

[Rekin]

There was talk of him staying on.

Tax repeals: I'm guessing you are referring to the carbon tax. We had a system that penalized carbon emissions, and then scrapped it just as the rest of the civilized world is moving towards similar taxes and looking at us like some sort of giant oversized Alabama... because apparently coal is the way of the future.

Meanwhile electricity bills didn't reduce and the tax to GDP ratio is the second highest the country has ever seen.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-09-18/coal-industry-losing-the-pr-battle-on-climate-bhp/6787934

[joeyjoejoejuniorshabadoo]

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-09-18/coal-industry-losing-the-pr-battle-on-climate-bhp/6787934

coal is dead. Not yet... but soon.

With this new tesla battery and similar technologies why would anyone want to pay for electricity when you can just get it for free?

I'm sure the household elec market is the bulk of their custom.

They can sook all they want and blame the "leftists" but EOTD they's f**ked and nothing is going to change that.

Related lulz

http://www.pedestrian.tv/news/arts-and-culture/aussie-tweeter-govgoogles-wins-coalisamazing-with-/7a881ca5-13ae-42a7-91c1-7a96ee8c534a.htm

http://www.pedestrian.tv/news/arts-and-culture/greens-mp-expertly-trolls-coal-using-zoolander-as-/877b22f3-8926-42d5-957a-17dfdbe84dfe.htm

[Birds]

I love coal you leftist f**k

[joeyjoejoejuniorshabadoo]

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[joeyjoejoejuniorshabadoo]

I love coal you leftist f**k

So did tony and you know he's trustworthy... he's the prime mini... oh

[emts]

coal is dead. Not yet... but soon.

With this new tesla battery and similar technologies why would anyone want to pay for electricity when you can just get it for free?

I'm sure the household elec market is the bulk of their custom.

They can sook all they want and blame the "leftists" but EOTD they's f**ked and nothing is going to change that.

Related lulz

http://www.pedestrian.tv/news/arts-and-culture/aussie-tweeter-govgoogles-wins-coalisamazing-with-/7a881ca5-13ae-42a7-91c1-7a96ee8c534a.htm

http://www.pedestrian.tv/news/arts-and-culture/greens-mp-expertly-trolls-coal-using-zoolander-as-/877b22f3-8926-42d5-957a-17dfdbe84dfe.htm

yes but a coal mine is much better looking than a wind plant.

So do you think Abbott was just a plan from day 1, they purposely made him say all these stupid things so they could swap in our before the election with a more reasonable person just to make every-one go, well he not as bad as abbott guess should vote for him.

where as Labour did a libs, prior to last election all liberals had to do was shut up and they were getting in as labour shot themselves in the foot sooo many times.

they thought if we shut up abbott will hand us the election, and now no-one knows what they think. suddenly abbot the idiot is gone so ppl will just vote for Turnbull (had to think for a moment who it was this week)

[Rekin]

coal is dead. Not yet... but soon.

With this new tesla battery and similar technologies why would anyone want to pay for electricity when you can just get it for free?

I'm sure the household elec market is the bulk of their custom.

They can sook all they want and blame the "leftists" but EOTD they's f**ked and nothing is going to change that.

Related lulz

http://www.pedestrian.tv/news/arts-and-culture/aussie-tweeter-govgoogles-wins-coalisamazing-with-/7a881ca5-13ae-42a7-91c1-7a96ee8c534a.htm

http://www.pedestrian.tv/news/arts-and-culture/greens-mp-expertly-trolls-coal-using-zoolander-as-/877b22f3-8926-42d5-957a-17dfdbe84dfe.htm

The tesla batteries have a payback period of 25yrs & only a 10yr warranty. Wont be killing the coal industry any time soon.

http://www.businessinsider.com.au/this-is-what-teslas-home-battery-powerwall-will-cost-to-run-in-australia-2015-6

Until the energy storage breakthrough happens on an industrial scale, which then unleashes potential of solar - there is no cost-effective solution at the moment.

[Birds]

I'm surprised that pedestrian website doesn't ban right handed users

[Leroy Peterson]

im just glad theres a lot of money and research going into batteries. its like the solid state drive for computers... quality and price will improve as people find better (read: cheaper) ways of doing things. I still dont think solar is the answer unless there is a breakthrough.

everyone keeps thinking on a domestic basis... industry needs power too. and in this ideal world the charges are going to have to be handed to businesses if homes arent paying for it. it would have all sorts of affects, including the demise of feed-in tariffs for small solar.

in 50 years time when they (might) start closing down coal mines, what will happen to them? are they going to try to back-fill the open cuts? tear down the power station? im sure there are contracts written in to guarantee X number of years of production, just when that figure gets close to expiring it'll be interesting... zero maintenance, skeleton crews running the joint, pulling as much money as possible back to the overseas operators.

[Rekin]

im just glad theres a lot of money and research going into batteries. its like the solid state drive for computers... quality and price will improve as people find better (read: cheaper) ways of doing things. I still dont think solar is the answer unless there is a breakthrough.

everyone keeps thinking on a domestic basis... industry needs power too. and in this ideal world the charges are going to have to be handed to businesses if homes arent paying for it. it would have all sorts of affects, including the demise of feed-in tariffs for small solar.

in 50 years time when they (might) start closing down coal mines, what will happen to them? are they going to try to back-fill the open cuts? tear down the power station? im sure there are contracts written in to guarantee X number of years of production, just when that figure gets close to expiring it'll be interesting... zero maintenance, skeleton crews running the joint, pulling as much money as possible back to the overseas operators.

yep - wont be powering your air-conditioned CBD skyrises with solar panels, batteries & rainbows any time soon.

All mines have rehabilitation plans - so demob has been planned & approved long ago.

Even if Australia jumps on alternative energy sources, developing countries will still rely on coal in which we will continue to supply to.

http://littleblackrock.com.au/the-role-of-coal/

[joeyjoejoejuniorshabadoo]

yep - wont be powering your air-conditioned CBD skyrises with solar panels, batteries & rainbows any time soon.

All mines have rehabilitation plans - so demob has been planned & approved long ago.

Even if Australia jumps on alternative energy sources, developing countries will still rely on coal in which we will continue to supply to.

http://littleblackrock.com.au/the-role-of-coal/

And 6 months ago you could have said that about aircondotioned houses....

Between solar, geothermal, tidal, wind etc, coal ia currently singing it's last song. The only people behind it are those who stand to make a few $ during its dying throws.

[joeyjoejoejuniorshabadoo]

I'm surprised that pedestrian website doesn't ban right handed users

well judging by the amount of celebrity related content I don't think it is exactly aimed at the rhodes scholars in society. It was just the first one google popped up in a search for the zoolander reference

[Rekin]

And 6 months ago you could have said that about aircondotioned houses....

Between solar, geothermal, tidal, wind etc, coal ia currently singing it's last song. The only people behind it are those who stand to make a few $ during its dying throws.

Looking forward to see how many 'greenies' will spend $30,000 to install Tesla batteries come next year.

[joeyjoejoejuniorshabadoo]

Are they really retailing for $30k?

I wouldn't even consider that sort of tech until there is competition and huge price drops

[Rekin]

Are they really retailing for $30k?

I wouldn't even consider that sort of tech until there is competition and huge price drops

So what if we go off grid entirely?

According to our power bill, we use 816 kWh in 95 days, or 8.6 kWh a day. This is actually crazily low, and AGL actually states that the average 1 person household uses 1216 kWh in 95 days or 12.8 kWh a day. Chalk that up to efficient LED lighting, off-peak hot water and no air-conditioning.

At 8.6 kWh a day, we need at least two Powerwalls to cope with cloudy days. Even so, we would need to be extra frugal through long periods of cloudy weather.

Fully installed, we are unlikely to end up with much change out of $30,000.

On the plus side, we can now save our entire power bill, which includes the supply charge. In this case, $2.61 a day. Unfortunately, this actually means our payback time is around 31 years, even worse than being tied to the grid (at current electricity costs).

http://www.businessinsider.com.au/this-is-what-teslas-home-battery-powerwall-will-cost-to-run-in-australia-2015-6

[Birds]

well judging by the amount of celebrity related content I don't think it is exactly aimed at the rhodes scholars in society. It was just the first one google popped up in a search for the zoolander reference

Have seen a couple of articles on it before and so far I've gauged it's a massive lefty green fest

[Birds]

How long before free/renewable energy setups find their way into inheritance to continue the payback period through generations?

[Leroy Peterson]

How long before free/renewable energy setups find their way into inheritance to continue the payback period through generations?

pfft.

be sure to build up your GTR nice and gud for your children and grand kids.

if anyone is interested in a fairly simple explanation of the energy market: http://www.wattclarity.com.au/2009/10/some-benefits-of-curtailability/

sections 0 and 1.

A snapshot of solar/wind/hydro contributions on a national scale.

check out those peaks. with hydro being the only one interested in contributing base load. solar/wind will only contribute when they can and when its affordable (which is not often enough).

The dips in hydro are due to them halting production and using low prices to pump water back up the dam. its all about making money and dragging out years of service life.