Formula 1 high tech V8 supercars in 05??

[Laurence]

Nothing funny about a $4million dollar engine with no rev limit having more power than a $40,000 engine with a 7,500rpm rev limit.

[fatz]

yes it is!

its freaken funny!

iven if they dindnt ahve arev limit it would be funny

[fatz]

my god i cant type or spell!!!!!

[Shrub32]

Nobody cared when McLaren Dominated 96-97, Benetton in 93-94, Mclaren in late 80's to 92.... And so forth. FIA is English based and i see it as anti-ferrari (italian).

Dont you mean 98 99 for McLaren and id hardly say dominant as they only won the constructor in 98. Mclaren were dominent in the 80s and early 90s but you forget there was one big difference between the comparison of them to how Ferrari go about things. Mclaren had Prost Vs Senna (in 88 they won every race accept for Monza where Senna spun off in the lead) anyways the team was dominent but there was still incertainty who would be world champ Senna or Prost. With Ferrari we all know who gets priorities there the question of Schumacher vs Barrichello for world champ is laughable.

Besides these changes being proposed arent to stop Ferrari but to stop ongoing $$$ $$$$$$$

[EnricoPalazzo]

true, however iin regards to schui vs barra, its not that ferrari favour schui, but that barra can not step up to schui. This is how ferrari wanted it thou, they didnt want 2 people fighting each other for championship.

When Hakkinen won his 2 championships, the McLaren was awesome, and dominated. Yes i do know when mclaren were the best in 80s.

I still believe the changes are there to stop ferrari, as ferrari are the biggest spenders in f1, so basically they do have a bigger advantage over the rest. by limiting the techology, it allows the crapper teams to hopefully come on par with the rest to give an even playing field. I still think the engine idea is stupid, and i am wondering how the hell these little engines are gonna churn out so much power with these new rules. How can a race engine last 2 rounds, and have almost all technology taken from them. They might aswell just make engines pushrod only..... Even in basic racing, engines are pulled down and rebuilt meet to meet, yet f1 is forcing an engine to last 2 races.

To me the people setting these new rules have no fricken idea about racing, whos stupid idea was it to only allow 1 set of tyres. I think that is stupid and dangerous....

[46n2]

Yes... nobody here seemed to mind the Gibson Motorsport Show either...

heh...i was thinking the same thing

I think the changes should make it more interesting to watch, but yeah i agree that the V8's aren't exactly what we'd consider exotic. but imho i'd rather see changes to the sport now rather than see indy take over the top spot.

[Roy]

It's a joke...slow the cars down with aero packages, and new rubber rules etc..but no f*cken way to a V8 engine.

Might aswell replace the pit crew with a bunch of Trevs in flannos and stubbie shorts!

Only quoting that post because it sums up the general feeling...not meaining to pick a fight with you.

I dont understand what the problem is with F1 cars running V8s. Its only an engine layout... the stigma that import drivers associate with all V8s is a a little sad. Its like trying compare an RB26 with a 186 Holden engine, they are both straight sixes but worlds apart.

Think back to the F1 Cosworth V8s in the early 90s, did you have a problem with those engines....the Ferrari V12s? V10s were found to be the ideal configuration for the max class displacement, and im assuming its a size / cost and also possibly ideal config for proposed displacement is the reason for V8s

Understand that the more cylinders you have the higher amount of friction ect etc, so there is a trade of when looking for ideal no of cylinders, bank angle etc etc.

All you V8 bashers get over it, we aint talkign about a Holden 253.

[Laurence]

Well I guess I made the first comment about V8's being a bad configuration for F1 engines.

F1 brands itself as the pinnacle of motorsport. The cars are totally out of the ordinary, open ****pit with 13" wheels, wings, everything about them is totally weird which gives them an exotic feel. A V10 is a strange engine configuration and assists F1 in marketing itself as the bleeding edge of automotive technology (regardless of the truth of the matter).

I love V8s, 355, LS1, Cosworth ED... whatever, but they are familiar and somewhat ordinary.

F1 cars should be out of the ordinary.

[Roy]

A V10 is a strange engine configuration and assists F1 in marketing itself as the bleeding edge of automotive technology (regardless of the truth of the matter).

F1 cars should be out of the ordinary.

I cant remember all the technical garble, it an old Racecar Engineering i have, but there are reasons why F1 cars use V10s and its not only marketing. It has to do with firstly the displacement, as the trade of between bore/stroke ratios for huge revs, no of cylinders vs weight, size of engine and COG, no of cylinders and friction hence heat output thru water and oil etc etc and need for bigger radiators and hence increased drag etc etc

So with the V8 configuration, its likely that the cost of manufacture is cheaper (re-design will cost sh1tloads though :Oops: ), the engine size and location frees up some space for chassis/aerodynamics design, the bore/stroke ratio works out better usign only 8 cylinders...i dont know, but the engines will still be freaks with the valvetranes they run and the revs/power they make.

[Laurence]

...but there are reasons why F1 cars use V10s and its not only marketing...

Sorry, I meant that they should remain at 10 cylinders for marketing reasons.

Even though it may not be the best configuration for the capacity.

[Silver-Arrowz]

Mika Hakkinen winning 2 drivers championships doesn't mean Mclaren's weren't dominant. In 98 it went down to the wire and Schuey retired if I remember. And in 99 if Schuey didn't stack it at Silverstone then I'm pretty sure Schuey would've taken the title that year.

Don't get me wrong. I'm a Mclaren's nutter but Mika beat Schuey in 98 fair and square. He was on par with Schuey mentally (maybe even better cause I remember Schuey cracked at the last race and stalled on the grid). In 99 I didn't think Mika was mentally prepared. He had a tough time with Irvine. And we all know how Irvine rates next to Schuey. And that crying in the woods really showed how unprepered he was.

I don't like the whole Ferrari giving one driver preference because at the moment the Ferrari car is unstoppable. The only variable factor which can be altered is the drivers (since cars are identical). Put someone like Montoya, Kimi, Webber, Alonso or even JV with Schuey and THEN we'll have a spectical! It would be like the old days when Senna and Prost were banging wheels!

[EnricoPalazzo]

i think rubens is just no where near the driver schui is, it may come across that ferrari favour michael, but it isnt.

[Shrub32]

So with the V8 configuration, its likely that the cost of manufacture is cheaper (re-design will cost sh1tloads though :Oops: ),.

The reason for making them 2.4 V8s is so they can use the same engine components from the current 3 litre V10s like the cylinders etc which is "meant" to make the F1s lose power without cutting too much for the teams which i find hard to believe as you said the redesign will still cost alot for the manufacturers

also F1 history is full of changes made to the Formula this is nothing new there has been V8s V6 turbos to V12s been used in the past but i will miss the sound of the 3litre V10s if they do change.

also no way Cart (which use 2.4 V8 turbos) or IRL will ever surpass F1 as the top dog in motorsport

[Roy]

...also no way Cart (which use 2.4 V8 turbos) or IRL will ever surpass F1 as the top dog in motorsport

:werd: The whole IRL / Indycar is ajoke at the moment

[Duncan]

my god i cant type or spell!!!!!

[EnricoPalazzo]

bring back 1.6L Twin Turbo

[relicr31act]

Once again the powers that be( mr mosley etc) are playing at the edges trying to make the racing more interesting on the one hand and slow them down on the other? Why do we have pitstops? Because the powers that be (mr mosley etc) thought that would slow them down? why do we have grooved tyres? Because the powers that be etc etc. If they were serious about slowing the cars down they would just fit them with 10000 rpm limiters and 10to 1 comp, ban tyre and fuel stops and limit testing to a week before the season started. but they won't do that because they are in the business of LOOKING like they are trying to make the racing more interesting and slowing the cars down. Would we all be whingeing if M.Webber was winning all the time in a red car? MMMMMMMM

[Tosh]

I don't think it'll achieve anything.....

Ferrari keep winning because of Michael Schumacher and their race strategy IMHO

slowing everyone down withh just delay an inevitable outcome

[Abo Bob]

[fatz]

yea lets make f1 as fast as supertaxis

pinical of motorsport

the shouldnt be any rules..... fastest car wins

i say more power

more tyres

more speed

you want a turbo... why not!

you want a super charger... why not

you want to make the car out off gold and have 8000hp why not!

more everything!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ill watch it...

especially if they have 8000hp quad turbo 5 litre engines

yea baby!!!!!!!!!!