Rb26dett Computer 400kw+

[XGTRX]

Had a Haltec then a Motec M84 and went back to a PFC D-jetro.

The car has been running faultless ever since, no more timing issues and its a real plug in ecu.

Unless going a crank trigger I would stick with Nistune or PFC. They just work.

[Anfanee]

Put it this way.

I'd keep my car stock before a pfc again.

They are a complete waste of money. Nistune does everything it does.

And you may not want what a haltech does now, but if you do you have wasted time and money getting a half arsed ecu. May have well gone the good one from the start. Not to mention if you do get a power fc and take it to a well known tuner and they can't tune it that means more money down the drain. Let alone all the benefits a haltech brings.

I'll also point out the ecu is arguably the most important part of the car. What's an extra $1000 of you buy new? On the price of a motor it's well worth it.

Tl;dr pfc waste of money.

[Borci88]

Put it this way.

I'd keep my car stock before a pfc again.

They are a complete waste of money. Nistune does everything it does.

And you may not want what a haltech does now, but if you do you have wasted time and money getting a half arsed ecu. May have well gone the good one from the start. Not to mention if you do get a power fc and take it to a well known tuner and they can't tune it that means more money down the drain. Let alone all the benefits a haltech brings.

I'll also point out the ecu is arguably the most important part of the car. What's an extra $1000 of you buy new? On the price of a motor it's well worth it.

Tl;dr pfc waste of money.

I couldn't disagree with you anymore at this point. The higher power you go with Nistune, the worse the tune gets. O2 correction always trying to battle with the tune. I can name quite a few different people with GTRs that are considering swapping from Nistune over to PFC.

You want accurate timing with a Haltech, you kinda need a crank trigger, it jumps all over the shop without one. It's not "just an extra grand" for most people who haven't swung a spanner in their lives. PowerFC does the job, and it has been doing the job for the last 25+ years on THOUSANDS of high performance cars. You cannot possibly use confirmation bias just because you had a junk tune, and trash the ECU which thousands of people have zero issues with.

[Anfanee]

There was nothing wrong with my tune, bit ecu technology has come a long way. The pfc was good. It's just not worth the $$ they ask for now. And yes it is $1000 difference and I have the receipts to prove it. You don't need a crank trigger so all.

Point is, why half arsed do something that will end up costing you more down the line. Just get a decent ecu to begin with.

[iruvyouskyrine]

Because 50% of Gtr owners realise the hole they have dug themselves within a year of ownership and sell up and cut their losses. The other half bend over and open up their wallets anyway, spending a little more than a small fortune.

Edited May 1, 2016 by iruvyouskyrine

[Borci88]

There was nothing wrong with my tune, bit ecu technology has come a long way. The pfc was good. It's just not worth the $$ they ask for now. And yes it is $1000 difference and I have the receipts to prove it. You don't need a crank trigger so all.

Point is, why half arsed do something that will end up costing you more down the line. Just get a decent ecu to begin with.

You can get them secondhand for $400 if you wait long enough, average price is $600 for a GTR PFC. How is it half arsing? It'll go with your mods all the way up to 450kw very comfortably.. even more if you go D-Jetro..

[XGTRX]

You don't need a crank trigger so all.

Its a known issue that they have difficulty reading the cas signal which is hit and miss, just call haltec or Motec and they will clarify your error.

Point is, why half arsed do something that will end up costing you more down the line. Just get a decent ecu to begin with.

Where is a nistune or PFC half arsed? You just don't get the wank factor bells and whistles that you really don't need in a street car if the tuner knows what he is doing.

The only real choice to make is to stick with the AFM or go MAP. Apart from that Nistune or PFC will manage a 400kw+ car easily and perfectly.

Edited May 1, 2016 by XGTRX

[Trex]

You can get them secondhand for $400 if you wait long enough, average price is $600 for a GTR PFC. How is it half arsing? It'll go with your mods all the way up to 450kw very comfortably.. even more if you go D-Jetro..

dont go second hand.

The ecu and tune is the most important part of the build.

[Borci88]

dont go second hand.

The ecu and tune is the most important part of the build.

Or you could and it be totally fine like most people.

[UWISSH!]

If you've built a 400kw car you have obviously spent abit of money so why would you skimp on the thing that is going to keep your car running right.

Buy the best computer your budget will allow and make sure you get it tuned by someone with the correct knowledge to tune it correctly

[Trex]

Or you could and it be totally f**ked like most people.

fyp. Have you never spoken to anyone who has bought a stuffed second hand ecu?

This isn't a missile car, this is a 400+kw R. Choose parts wisely and don't cut corners.

[Borci88]

fyp. Have you never spoken to anyone who has bought a stuffed second hand ecu?

This isn't a missile car, this is a 400+kw R. Choose parts wisely and don't cut corners.

Yes and I've had a hand in building many of those cars. I could confidently say less than 10% of those who have gone second hand, have had problems, I'm talking 40+ cars here as well.

[Anfanee]

I'm legit shocked people defend the pfc so much. It's well over $1k for a power fc with z32 afm.... Why not spend $1700 on a brand new platinum pro?

[Trex]

Yes and I've had a hand in building many of those cars. I could confidently say less than 10% of those who have gone second hand, have had no problems, I'm talking 40+ cars here as well.

So 90% have had problems?

I rest my case.

[Anfanee]

ROFL Tom.

[Borci88]

So 90% have had problems?

I rest my case.

Okay mate, I edited my post before you posted that but if you want to be childish thats fine.

Anfanee, what exactly is a platinum pro going to do over a PFC that your average joe shmo actually NEEDS? Go on GTR PARTS on Facebook and you can pickup a PFC D-Jetro any day of the week for $700. I don't see what the issue is here?

[Anfanee]

My point is. It's a much better ecu. And it's future proof. If you end up deciding you want the extra features that $500 tune may have well gone a haltech from the start.

Also AFM are shit.

[Borci88]

You're right on all those parts you just said, I just don't think the average person needs it, 400kw isn't even anything fancy nowadays in the GTR world. Every third GTR in Sydney seems to be minimum 350-400kw. You buy an ECU to suit your application and in most cases a PFC is going to more than cut it.

On top of that... you should be listening to your tuner anyway. If he tells you he prefers to tune Haltech or PFC, then you should definitely be listening up!

[Anfanee]

But to be making test power you have to have done AFM. Thus just get the bloody haltech.

[luke gtr]

Talk to the tuner you want to use, and buy the one they recommend and want to work with.

No point in getting an $11ty billion ecu if the tuner can't work with it.