Dose's Sometimes DIY and Pay Someone Home & Boat Improvement Thread

[Dose Pipe Sutututu]

Probably a good thing she's asked for a cage, only a few thousand dollar investment.

Yeah these shit boxes are old and rusty, even though they might visually look good they've had salt plastered on them.

[No Crust Racing]

I've heard that story before too, the ripping through the floor bit, and I do recall seeing some pics at one point but I don't think it was an old jap car. 

Either way, full weld in for me because dedicated race car. 

I would be a bit more game to track a newer car with a harness bar/hans setup given all the airbags and improvement in safety cell design, but probs not an older jap car. 



 

[No Crust Racing]

Oh and yeah I'm not dead

[robbo_rb180]

2 hours ago, Jasoncauser said:

i wasnt allowed to buy a track car unless it had a cage (wifes rules) so I have a 6 point bond bolt in cage.

I have heard some horror stories of cages ripping right through the floor when (particularly older jap cars) landing on the roof dead flat in a rollover
 

Thats pretty good, we all need someone like that in our life.

1 hour ago, ActionDan said:

I've heard that story before too, the ripping through the floor bit, and I do recall seeing some pics at one point but I don't think it was an old jap car. 

Either way, full weld in for me because dedicated race car. 

I would be a bit more game to track a newer car with a harness bar/hans setup given all the airbags and improvement in safety cell design, but probs not an older jap car. 



 

Yeah a friend rolled a car at ebisu lucky had a cusco cage but it bent badly and was stuffed.

New cars are great for safety but still would want a cage at those speeds.

[The Bogan]

Bond put in some large base plates inside and under the car to spread the load. I remember talking to them about it and they showed me a picture or a flipped car with a crushed roof, they then pointed out the base plates of the cage that punched through the floor. Not as good as the big stuff you see on a good weld in cage, but alot better than alot of the bolt in cages I looked at.

[MBS206]

6 hours ago, robbo_rb180 said:

 

New cars are great for safety but still would want a cage at those speeds.

Jim Richards gave a talk at one of SAUNSW dinners, and someone asked a question about times he's felt it was sketchy, or more so the sketchiest.

He recalled a time he raced Targa Tas. I think he said he was doing about 250kmh, and it started raining. And he said he thought "This is a bit quick, I should slow down... But to what? 180? I'm still gone at that speed..."

[robbo_rb180]

19 minutes ago, The Bogan said:

Bond put in some large base plates inside and under the car to spread the load. I remember talking to them about it and they showed me a picture or a flipped car with a crushed roof, they then pointed out the base plates of the cage that punched through the floor. Not as good as the big stuff you see on a good weld in cage, but alot better than alot of the bolt in cages I looked at.

the standard is alot better now for base plates with  minimum square area and length of sides. Still only as strong as the cars sheet metal.

11 minutes ago, MBS206 said:

Jim Richards gave a talk at one of SAUNSW dinners, and someone asked a question about times he's felt it was sketchy, or more so the sketchiest.

He recalled a time he raced Targa Tas. I think he said he was doing about 250kmh, and it started raining. And he said he thought "This is a bit quick, I should slow down... But to what? 180? I'm still gone at that speed..."

😅 he would have had a full cage as its been a requirement for a long time.
He is right though

[Jasoncauser]

12 hours ago, The Bogan said:

Bond put in some large base plates inside and under the car to spread the load. I remember talking to them about it and they showed me a picture or a flipped car with a crushed roof, they then pointed out the base plates of the cage that punched through the floor. Not as good as the big stuff you see on a good weld in cage, but alot better than alot of the bolt in cages I looked at.

100% yes.
My Bond Bolt-in cage has large plates inside and under. was rather impressed with it.
Especially 2nd had for $500. Came out of a hill climb car that had to upgrade due to regs etc.
Maybe its the placebo effect but i do "feel" safer with it in.
But its a tight fit. With padding on the bars, there isnt a lot of head room in a 32 coupe lol 

[Dose Pipe Sutututu]

When you talk to @34GeeTeeTee you end up wasting money.

LOL.

HardoGhey camber arms, should help get camber to about -3° or so.

Didn't take a photo of the stock arms, but the bush inside was able to be rotated with my fingers. They're now both resting in my bin.

[34GeeTeeTee]

On 15/03/2023 at 3:35 PM, Dose Pipe Sutututu said:

When you talk to @34GeeTeeTee you end up wasting money.

LOL.

HardoGhey camber arms, should help get camber to about -3° or so.

Didn't take a photo of the stock arms, but the bush inside was able to be rotated with my fingers. They're now both resting in my bin.

Haha but think about the stance brah!! 

[Dose Pipe Sutututu]

Shit box updates.

Alignment now done, driver side managed to get -3.5° camber and passenger side only -3.2° with the camber arms fully wound in.

I believe the knuckle bushes may be the culprit here, and yes yes @34GeeTeeTee I know I know, hammer hammer rubber hammer good lol.

Other than that, used a seatbelt harness bracket to mount the harness bar support to the floor of the car. Should be better that bolt/nut into the side of the body as there's much more material holding it. Used 8.8 tensile zinc bolts, should be "strong" enough.

I'll see how serious I get with track nights/days, if the car gets semis put on, then I'll put in a cage too as I would definitely be pushing the car much harder.

[admS15]

Nice cambers. Probably is the upper knuckle bushes, chuck some of those adjustable Whiteline/Superpro ones in next time you go for an alignment. Doubt you'll feel a difference or would even know if you hadn't seen the numbers.

Where was said harness bar sourced from?

[Dose Pipe Sutututu]

Thanks bro, will definitely slap in some new bushes to give me peace of mind it's less shit.

I got it from eBay, here's the link 😊

https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/185659350438

 

Then bought these things to mount the support arms to the floor

https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/404023772773

[Murray_Calavera]

I hope you never actually test this, but what are your thoughts on that harness bar and how it mounts, how do you think it would hold up in a big collision doing eastern creek main straight speeds?

I worry because I look at how CAMS spec out their bolt in cage requirements and harness mounting requirements (eg the plate that goes through the floor for the 5/6 point harness strap etc).

100% your car and your freedom to do what you think is best... but I still worry =/ 

[Dose Pipe Sutututu]

@Murray_Calavera from what I see, the harness bar, and 6 point harness (coming soon), will hold up much better than the factory restraint in a crash.

How I see it, it's better than OEM, so survivability increases. Even with a roll cage, on a frontal impact or side impact irs still game over. Will need a full cage to actually make a difference to safety.

Hopefully with Wakefield's new owners, we are all able to head back out there again, have fun at lower speeds.

 

 

 

[No Crust Racing]

Given you wear a harness, get a HANS. 

[Dose Pipe Sutututu]

1 hour ago, ActionDan said:

Given you wear a harness, get a HANS. 

That's on the list too, HANS and new compatible helmet.

[SiR_RB]

When big brake upgrade 

 

when sequential 

[admS15]

Did someone say Samsonas.

[Dose Pipe Sutututu]

Get farked... I've spent more than enough money on this heap of shit.

 

Next mod is a new car.