Count Grantleyish Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 I like where you guys are heading with this. Also considering: Will it dose? Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/468826-blown-neo-bottom-end-next-steps/page/3/#findComment-7813037 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dose Pipe Sutututu Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 33 minutes ago, Count Grantleyish said: Will it dose? will need fill custom dose pipe, going to be hard to find a 10" pipe and bends lol Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/468826-blown-neo-bottom-end-next-steps/page/3/#findComment-7813045 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTSBoy Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 5 minutes ago, Dose Pipe Sutututu said: will need fill custom dose pipe, going to be hard to find a 10" pipe and bends lol 10"? Keep going. We're talking 3' at least! 1 Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/468826-blown-neo-bottom-end-next-steps/page/3/#findComment-7813048 Share on other sites More sharing options...
V28VX37 Posted February 23, 2017 Author Share Posted February 23, 2017 I've got this guys, going full custom steampipe manifold too Not sure if Turbosmart have anything off-the-shelf for this though 3 Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/468826-blown-neo-bottom-end-next-steps/page/3/#findComment-7813050 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dobz Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 It's not a good idea to wind up boost with the stock ecu on that engine. This street racer found out the hard way. 3 Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/468826-blown-neo-bottom-end-next-steps/page/3/#findComment-7813163 Share on other sites More sharing options...
admS15 Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 It's not a good idea to wind up boost with the stock ecu on that engine. This street racer found out the hard way. That pic suggests not enough boost as it was just bent, not a clean break, amateur at best[emoji12] 3 Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/468826-blown-neo-bottom-end-next-steps/page/3/#findComment-7813165 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTSBoy Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 But you should see what it did to the alternator! Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/468826-blown-neo-bottom-end-next-steps/page/3/#findComment-7813168 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Count Grantleyish Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 19 hours ago, Dose Pipe Sutututu said: will need fill custom dose pipe, going to be hard to find a 10" pipe and bends lol Nah, grab some huge sheetmetal and roll it. Easy af Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/468826-blown-neo-bottom-end-next-steps/page/3/#findComment-7813184 Share on other sites More sharing options...
V28VX37 Posted February 27, 2017 Author Share Posted February 27, 2017 On 23/02/2017 at 8:10 AM, PatMol said: Try skylines spares in Sydney he has neos on the shelf. Thanks Pat, that did the trick! Just paid for a Neo long engine, wasn't cheap but hopefully it will live up to the expectation. Man there's a Neo drought out there big time... 1 Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/468826-blown-neo-bottom-end-next-steps/page/3/#findComment-7813779 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Count Grantleyish Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 Aw! No ecotec conversion. Nah, congrats on finding another neo motor and try not to kill this one. 2 Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/468826-blown-neo-bottom-end-next-steps/page/3/#findComment-7813780 Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatMol Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 Din is not cheap and he's taken loads of my money. But he also has always done right by me which counts for allot in my book. 1 Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/468826-blown-neo-bottom-end-next-steps/page/3/#findComment-7813804 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roy Posted February 28, 2017 Share Posted February 28, 2017 23 hours ago, V28VX37 said: Thanks Pat, that did the trick! Just paid for a Neo long engine, wasn't cheap but hopefully it will live up to the expectation. Man there's a Neo drought out there big time... So , question has to be asked....identified why you are knocking around the engine? I would expect a NEO to be very happy a the power level you are running Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/468826-blown-neo-bottom-end-next-steps/page/3/#findComment-7814054 Share on other sites More sharing options...
V28VX37 Posted February 28, 2017 Author Share Posted February 28, 2017 27 minutes ago, Roy said: So , question has to be asked....identified why you are knocking around the engine? I would expect a NEO to be very happy a the power level you are running Nope, we don't have a 100% clear answer at the moment. My suspicion is that what was originally identified as a blown HG (after much debate, since the evidence was inconclusive) ended up being a more sinister underlying issue with the engine. My best guess at the moment is a crack in the block but for a full diagnosis we'd have to tear down the bottom end and possibly crack test the block. I'm not interested in throwing any more good money after bad at the moment frankly, so we may be left guessing for a while. And yes I've run it at 20psi / 275rwkw for a while, which is meant to be within the 'safe' range for a Neo. It died after about 8 track days so I'm wondering if there's a street 'safe' and a track 'safe' power level, and how different they might be... 1 Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/468826-blown-neo-bottom-end-next-steps/page/3/#findComment-7814063 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dose Pipe Sutututu Posted February 28, 2017 Share Posted February 28, 2017 Send me your tune file, I'll see what's going on there. When I tune for track cars I always tune the entire mid range below MBT, taking at times 3 to 5 degrees out. This limits the amount of peak torque the motor can make thus keeping it together a little longer. Yes EGT goes up, but just richen it up close to 11 afr (on gasoline scaling) for E85. On 98RON I drop it under 11 afr. I don't aim for a flat AFR which most Internet experts like. 1 Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/468826-blown-neo-bottom-end-next-steps/page/3/#findComment-7814173 Share on other sites More sharing options...
V28VX37 Posted February 28, 2017 Author Share Posted February 28, 2017 Send me your tune file, I'll see what's going on there. When I tune for track cars I always tune the entire mid range below MBT, taking at times 3 to 5 degrees out. This limits the amount of peak torque the motor can make thus keeping it together a little longer. Yes EGT goes up, but just richen it up close to 11 afr (on gasoline scaling) for E85. On 98RON I drop it under 11 afr. I don't aim for a flat AFR which most Internet experts like.Thanks man will do! I've got the Consult cable but do I need a full version of the Nistune software to grab the tune? Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/468826-blown-neo-bottom-end-next-steps/page/3/#findComment-7814183 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dose Pipe Sutututu Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 3 hours ago, V28VX37 said: Thanks man will do! I've got the Consult cable but do I need a full version of the Nistune software to grab the tune? hrms.. good question, if not just do a screen shot of the timing table and roughly tell me which load cells it's hitting and/or what TP Load is roughly equal to what boost Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/468826-blown-neo-bottom-end-next-steps/page/3/#findComment-7814219 Share on other sites More sharing options...
V28VX37 Posted March 1, 2017 Author Share Posted March 1, 2017 8 hours ago, Dose Pipe Sutututu said: hrms.. good question, if not just do a screen shot of the timing table and roughly tell me which load cells it's hitting and/or what TP Load is roughly equal to what boost Looks like there is a trial version: https://www.nistune.com/index.php/support/software-downloads I'll check it when I get the car back home, hopefully in two weeks or so... Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/468826-blown-neo-bottom-end-next-steps/page/3/#findComment-7814367 Share on other sites More sharing options...
V28VX37 Posted March 2, 2017 Author Share Posted March 2, 2017 Ok I may have a buyer for the original refreshed cylinder head, any tips on how to package up one properly for safe delivery? Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/468826-blown-neo-bottom-end-next-steps/page/3/#findComment-7814515 Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatMol Posted March 2, 2017 Share Posted March 2, 2017 If your in Sydney I'll come visit [emoji3] Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/468826-blown-neo-bottom-end-next-steps/page/3/#findComment-7814521 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Count Grantleyish Posted March 2, 2017 Share Posted March 2, 2017 Ok I may have a buyer for the original refreshed cylinder head, any tips on how to package up one properly for safe delivery?Bubble wrap the f**k out of it. 1 Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/468826-blown-neo-bottom-end-next-steps/page/3/#findComment-7814527 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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