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[No Crust Racing]

On 12/15/2021 at 12:49 PM, Unzipped Composites said:

 

If it's the entire system, I would remove it, there's a lot of weight in it. If the activation system has been removed and it's just an empty airbag under the dash then just leave it.

I'll flip it and have a squizz. 

[Unzipped Composites]

On 15/12/2021 at 4:30 AM, ActionDan said:

Nah not a Max fan, not really a Lewis fan either, but my boy Danny wasn't going take a WDC this year so I wanted to see Lulu take an 8th.

I agree he made the right call to remove those cars and let them race, finishing under race conditions is always preferred, but the biggest issue is that call came AFTER a prior call that they would NOT be removed. 

I know Merc missed pit entry simply due to timing of the SC, but had they said straight up lapped cars would drive through, as been the case this season pretty much every time, Mercedes could've pitted on the next lap, lost track position yes, but been behind max on brand new super softs also for a proper lap of balls out racing.

BUT, that is hinged on whether Lewis gets to retain P2 or does he end up at the back of the train and has actually given away a bunch of spots? I know there's no overtaking under safety, but do you still lose positions if you pit? 

Otherwise they would be assuming that yes Max has new tyres and those cars in between will be blue flagged but he still has to clear 4 of them who are fall fighting for positions themselves, that will slow him down and he only has 1 lap. Then last second, lapped cars between Max and Lewis please go, SC in this lap, go racing boys! 

Anyway, that flip flop pissed me off, hard to choose a strategy if things are changing that fast at one mans discretion. 

Re the Lap 1 incident I am on the fence, When they said he had given back the advantage, I took that to mean Lewis was about 1.5s ahead before max just decided to bomb the braking zone and force Lewis wide, yes he made up that time under brakes, but only did so by forcing another driver off. 

Lewis lifted and the gap came back to 1.5s, then he got back on the sauce and gapped him flat out. 

Also, "It's called motor racing, we went car racing" is perhaps once of the dumbest things i have head in ages. All of Australia should be ashamed it was uttered by one of our own. 

If I was Toto, I would also be in stunned disbelief. 

And yes, best season we've had in YONKS. Can't wait for March

 

 

Yeh look, I think the decision change was a problem, but he changed his mind to allow the better scenario to end the season, which I think is a good thing. Can understand Merc feeling hard done by, but had it gone the other way it would have been Red Bull screaming about it. There's just no clear guidelines for the RC to base that decision on, he's got both team managers in his ear the entire time telling him what to do (which I think is a joke, I'm glad it's being banned for next season), and in the end I'm glad he made the decision that was the best for the sport.

 

I actually loved his "it's called a motor race" line haha 🤣 

On 15/12/2021 at 6:04 AM, Kinkstaah said:

It was a great season, but Lewis absolutely deserved the win. It shows how silly the rules are - Why not line the cars up on the grid and let them launch with the time intervals they had from one another once it is safe to do so, preserving the gaps, and positions they had on track once the track is again safe?

There's no reason a safety car has to actually influence the race result at all. 

Lewis missed Lap 1 because obvious Max stupid Divebomb is obvious. They let that one go because they could see between the lines in the spirit of the race. They should have let it end properly under the safety car because lets be honest, even after the 'should be illegal' blocking of Perez on HAM, he still opened up the gap again and absolutely would/should have taken then W there.

There's no way that they weren't artificially influencing the result, and it was influenced many times in favour of Max, which is where the Robbed comments come from, and as mentioned before, the concept of racing safety influencing the result of said race is just a stupid concept.

To be fair, both drivers have been absolutely outstanding all season and I don't think either of them deserved it more than the other. They're both deserving champions, and that's why it's been such a great season. 

 

Safety Cars have been part of motorsport strategy for decades, it is part of the intrigue. If you take them away and say we're not going to let any safety incidents effect the race, then the sport gets real boring when you have a car that's 25 seconds in front with 40 laps to go, that's race over and everybody switches the TV off. When there's the possibility of a SC bringing the pack back together at some point, it keeps races alive, keeps the spectators interested, and keeps the teams interested in doing as well as they can to push rather than just going 'ah well this week's done, just bring the car home safe and we'll go again in two weeks'. It might not be the 'fairest' solution for the driver that is 25 seconds in front, but it's better for the sport.

 

And why was Max's braking into T6 (not T1 sorry) stupid? It was brilliant, it was proper racing. Its not like Hamilton was at the apex and Verstappen lunged in on him, he wasn't locked up or sliding or out of control. What did he do wrong? He didn't force Lewis out, they were virtually next to each other starting turn in, Max had more corner speed, Lewis tried to turn in tighter to squeeze Max and realised he was going to hit him. He should have conceded the corner earlier and there would have been plenty of space for both cars. Why are we all of a sudden not allowed to make up time under brakes? Danny Ric would barely have a career if that wasn't allowed.

 

More importantly, it was only a week ago at Jeddah that Lewis did virtually the exact same thing to Max on Lap 37. Attacked into the corner, Max should have yielded but didn't and ended up having to bail and leave the track and gained an advantage by doing so. He had to give that position back, so what's different at Abu Dhabi? Max made the corner, Lewis didn't. Lewis got ahead by skipping T7, so he should have given the place back. 

 

P.S, aware this is off topic, Sorry Dan. You brought it up! 🤣

[No Crust Racing]

Not bothered at all, it's all good discussion

Agree RC had it tough, agree banning them being in his ear is the right call.

Is the RC getting the boot as I heard from a mate? Haven't looked in to it. 

I tend to see Max as being a little aggressive, bordering on too far at times but the f**ker can drive. 

This is a Danny Ric safe space... 

 

[Unzipped Composites]

On 15/12/2021 at 10:42 AM, ActionDan said:

Not bothered at all, it's all good discussion

Agree RC had it tough, agree banning them being in his ear is the right call.

Is the RC getting the boot as I heard from a mate? Haven't looked in to it. 

I tend to see Max as being a little aggressive, bordering on too far at times but the f**ker can drive. 

This is a Danny Ric safe space... 

 

Oh don't worry, I'm a huge Danny Ric fan, I'm just bitter he's in the mid-pack now (how good was Monza though!?). I've done a lot of work on his dad's 1968 Brabham:

 

 

 

I haven't heard about Masi losing his job, I really hope he hasn't. Would be a bit of a farce, just because some fans are upset - he's overseen the most exciting F1 season ever, and I'm sure F1 has expanded their fan base this season because of that. He deserves some credit for that, it's a tough gig and all he did was make a decision with the best interests of the sport in mind.

 

I think Max is refreshing. In a class of motorsport where overtaking is infamously difficult, he gets the job done and doesn't take prisoners. Like it or not, he does improve the standard of racing and he brings the best out of the other drivers as well. Just look at Hamilton this season, he's been an animal under the pressure and we've seen a side to him that we haven't seen in previous seasons. Lewis is regarded as a patient and calm driver - but he's shown an aggression this season that at times made Max look like a saint. Hell, I don't remember Max sending Lewis to hospital this season 😆 

 

[No Crust Racing]

Ohhh cool beans! 

Max has had his fun now, I wan an Angry Hamburger to come out next year and do some stomping, take his 8th and disappear into the sunset. 

Also quite bitter that Zhou gets an F1 seat because $$$ and Piastri just gets a reserve seat when he's had such a good run. 

[Unzipped Composites]

On 15/12/2021 at 11:46 AM, ActionDan said:

Also quite bitter that Zhou gets an F1 seat because $$$ and Piastri just gets a reserve seat when he's had such a good run. 

 

Yeh don't get me started on this. f**k sake. Pinnacle of motorsport cluttered with drivers like Crashjean, Mazespin, Zhou (got nothing clever for his name), etc while actual good drivers sit in reserve. I'm surprised Alfa didn't give Raghunathan a seat after his open cheque book blistering test day 🙄

 

Looking forward to seeing what Haas do next year. Love Gunther, and I'd like to see Mick do well for sentimental sake, so it was tough watching them this year. Hopefully their focus on the new chassis pays off and they can get back to being more than a placeholder!

 

 

[robbo_rb180]

On 12/15/2021 at 1:46 PM, ActionDan said:

Ohhh cool beans! 

Max has had his fun now, I wan an Angry Hamburger to come out next year and do some stomping, take his 8th and disappear into the sunset. 

Also quite bitter that Zhou gets an F1 seat because $$$ and Piastri just gets a reserve seat when he's had such a good run. 

A fired up lewis will be interesting to watch especially with everyone starting fresh with new regulations.

Piastri deserved a F1 drive after the past 2 seasons, hopefully gets a seat 2023 in a good team as can't see Alpine putting him in unless both Alonso & Ocon both leave and they bring in Gasly to partner Piastri. 

On 12/15/2021 at 2:24 PM, Unzipped Composites said:

 

Yeh don't get me started on this. f**k sake. Pinnacle of motorsport cluttered with drivers like Crashjean, Mazespin, Zhou (got nothing clever for his name), etc while actual good drivers sit in reserve. I'm surprised Alfa didn't give Raghunathan a seat after his open cheque book blistering test day 🙄

 

Looking forward to seeing what Haas do next year. Love Gunther, and I'd like to see Mick do well for sentimental sake, so it was tough watching them this year. Hopefully their focus on the new chassis pays off and they can get back to being more than a placeholder!

 

 

😂😂🤣 Love this dudes videos

 

[Kinkstaah]

On 12/15/2021 at 1:38 PM, Unzipped Composites said:

To be fair, both drivers have been absolutely outstanding all season and I don't think either of them deserved it more than the other. They're both deserving champions, and that's why it's been such a great season. 

And why was Max's braking into T6 (not T1 sorry) stupid? It was brilliant, it was proper racing. Its not like Hamilton was at the apex and Verstappen lunged in on him, he wasn't locked up or sliding or out of control. What did he do wrong? He didn't force Lewis out, they were virtually next to each other starting turn in, Max had more corner speed, Lewis tried to turn in tighter to squeeze Max and realised he was going to hit him. He should have conceded the corner earlier and there would have been plenty of space for both cars. Why are we all of a sudden not allowed to make up time under brakes? Danny Ric would barely have a career if that wasn't allowed.

More importantly, it was only a week ago at Jeddah that Lewis did virtually the exact same thing to Max on Lap 37. Attacked into the corner, Max should have yielded but didn't and ended up having to bail and leave the track and gained an advantage by doing so. He had to give that position back, so what's different at Abu Dhabi? Max made the corner, Lewis didn't. Lewis got ahead by skipping T7, so he should have given the place back. 

If Lewis had've taken the corner properly, Max would have slammed into the back of his car. You can't make the argument that Max was attempting to take the line in the fastest possible way at all, Lewis saw it coming and he was forced off the track by a driver deliberately taking that corner 'wrong' and potentially inciting a collision, yet again.

They have been both outstanding all season. This is why the robbery at the end was so blatant.  Jeddah was much the same, with HAM having to avoid the "I don't really mind if I crash into you, and I'll do stupid shit to do so anyway" of VER.

Be honest - Can you see VER "defending" like Perez was? Or Alonso? Hell no, it'll last 4 tenths of one second and then someone is in the wall. Especially in a scenario where Max comes out on top if someone ends in the wall.

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Safety Cars have been part of motorsport strategy for decades, it is part of the intrigue. If you take them away and say we're not going to let any safety incidents effect the race, then the sport gets real boring when you have a car that's 25 seconds in front with 40 laps to go, that's race over and everybody switches the TV off. When there's the possibility of a SC bringing the pack back together at some point, it keeps races alive, keeps the spectators interested, and keeps the teams interested in doing as well as they can to push rather than just going 'ah well this week's done, just bring the car home safe and we'll go again in two weeks'. It might not be the 'fairest' solution for the driver that is 25 seconds in front, but it's better for the sport.

I say take them away - The fastest car should be winning. I don't really care for that, it's about the integrity of the competition. The VSC where the gaps must be preserved is the only fair way to do it.

It is a stupid meta and in this case it rewarded the wrong driver, who was slower on the day and anyone with eyes can see wasn't going to win that race. There shouldn't be rules (in the name of safety, nonetheless) that influence the result. It's just a stupid meta, at a pinnaccle of the sport? Just shit.

I strongly advocate for races where drivers can drive at Quali pace, or as near as possible - All race.

[No Crust Racing]

On 12/15/2021 at 12:49 PM, Unzipped Composites said:

 

If it's the entire system, I would remove it, there's a lot of weight in it. If the activation system has been removed and it's just an empty airbag under the dash then just leave it.

This is what I see

 

 

[Unzipped Composites]

On 15/12/2021 at 6:43 PM, ActionDan said:

This is what I see

 

 

 

Yeh get rid of as much as you can, all you need is an empty shell of a dash. You can go gungho with the airbag system, it's disconnected so it's not going to explode in your face.

[Unzipped Composites]

On 15/12/2021 at 1:36 PM, Kinkstaah said:

I strongly advocate for races where drivers can drive at Quali pace, or as near as possible - All race.

 

This exists. It's called time attack haha. Cars can't sustain that speed for the duration of a race, cars get turned up to 11 for quali and then the strategy is about making sure you don't hit traffic unless you can get a tow where you need it.

I think you should watch the replay of T6 again. If I could find a sequence of still shots I would post then. Lewis really brakes way too early, Verstappen catches him just about at turn in (Lewis might be turning in a few hundredths before Max). At that point he should have yielded and gone wide through the corner, tried for the undercut through T7, there was plenty of track available. Lewis only had to bail because he still tried for the apex, and Max was already there. If that's not brilliant racing, I don't know what is. You don't have to stick to the ideal line ALL the time, it's not like ducking and weaving down the straights is the fastest way down the straights but if it breaks the tow then you do it anyway.

Your point on someone ending in the wall I can't disagree with, going into Jeddah I did wonder if Max would conveniently find a way to put him and Hamilton both into touch and take the championship that way. That's really a flaw of the rules again though, the rules of F1 make it an attractive option to just win the championship on number of race wins rather than points. Cue Michael Schumacher. The fact Max would probably be willing to do it I don't hold against him, though I don't know how I would feel if he'd actually done it.

 

Re. rules interfering with the result, there's loads of rules that have the potential to influence the result outside of SC's. Max ended up on a bad choice of tyre to start the race with because of the rules. If we're removing rules for the sake of not influencing the result, then Max probably would have started on Mediums and would have held onto Lewis' lead better and nullified Mercs strategy advantage. Honestly, the rules are so complex they influence the result in all sorts of ways. Why should SC's be any different? 

 

Take SC's out, and it's a HUGE advantage to the teams at the front of the pack. The teams at the front of the pack tend to be the teams with the biggest budget. Winning championships becomes a matter of how much money have you got? But you don't want to introduce rules that heavily restrict the teams that do have money, because those teams are the ones driving the sport forward. If you introduce big spending caps to keep everyone on an even playing field, then it becomes a punishment for doing well.

 

I think safety cars have been complained about for years, but nobody has come up with a better solution. VSC's are good in some situations, but they aren't as safe for the marshals when the track needs to be cleared, AND they still introduce advantages/disadvantages to some drivers in the form of tyre temperatures. VSC's are generally a slower pace than the SC, so they have a bigger effect on tyre temps which of course also effects the race. 

 

It's not an easy thing, you can't pause a race safely without impacting anyone. If there was a perfect solution, I'm sure it would be implemented.

[Unzipped Composites]

Also, I've just rewatched things, and I've changed my mind on the decision change haha... It wasn't really a decision change. Masi first said no lapped cars to overtake because the marshals hadn't cleared Latifi's wreckage. You can't have the backmarkers go hairing off without a pace car when there's marshals on track trying to clear wreckage. As soon as it became apparent that they could complete a lap safely, he made the call that they could overtake. But there wasn't enough time for all of them to go, so he sent the ones that were in the way of the main race, which is fair enough. 

 

#MasiForPM.

[No Crust Racing]

No. 

[No Crust Racing]

Some bits turned up. 

 

[No Crust Racing]

NCR is on Insta now, nothing you haven't seen yet, just starting to build some content. 

No Crust Racing (@nocrustracing)

[Dose Pipe Sutututu]

On 06/01/2022 at 11:21 AM, ActionDan said:

NCR is on Insta now, nothing you haven't seen yet, just starting to build some content. 

No Crust Racing (@nocrustracing)

wot.. wow.... about time cnut

[No Crust Racing]

read your dms, cnut

[robbo_rb180]

On 1/6/2022 at 10:21 AM, ActionDan said:

NCR is on Insta now, nothing you haven't seen yet, just starting to build some content. 

No Crust Racing (@nocrustracing)

now start doing some build videos of the datsun

[No Crust Racing]

On 1/6/2022 at 6:05 PM, robbo_rb180 said:

now start doing some build videos of the datsun

Of what? Considered it but I'm a shit mechanic, an ugly guy, and sound like a tool..

[robbo_rb180]

On 1/6/2022 at 5:16 PM, ActionDan said:

Of what? Considered it but I'm a shit mechanic, an ugly guy, and sound like a tool..

I am having a go at it, just put up first one today. Got another race car to build, at least the category is pretty restricted and has control parts.