Sequential shifter for h pattern box

[NEO25T]

Has anyone seen these before, link below

https://youtu.be/DG12jmFsI7M

[Mick_o]

Bye bye syncros! ?

[GTSBoy]

Stupid f**king idea.  Just because it is possible, does not make it sensible.

[WantGTR]

Expensive short shifter lol. 

[260DET]

Lots of negative here, if you don't like a sequential then fine but plenty of race pros prefer them and when watching in car videos you can see why. Depending on driver skill then the syncros will  be a serviceable item just like the dogs are in a dog box. 

Phil in the mighty 280ZX with a Quaife sequential dog box.

 

Edited December 8, 2017 by 260DET

[GTSBoy]

'sgot nothing to do with whether sequential is good or bad.  It's to do with jamming shifts into an H pattern gearbox with even less than zero f**ks given.

[Piggaz]

That product really needs to stop production. What a nugget.

[260DET]

What has a H pattern got anything to do with it, all depends on the driver. With a dog box the shifts have to be hard and fast as the video above showed, with a syncro box it's easier on the syncros if the shift is made a bit slower which can be done using that sequential conversion. Drivers bang through shifts on a H pattern box all the time, the syncros don't care which pattern the shifter is.

Too much bandwagoning and not enough thinking going on here.

Edited December 9, 2017 by 260DET

[Piggaz]

Either way you have to wait for the synchro’s.... well to match speed.

Sick. So you have a mad looking shifter that goes backwards and forwards.... slowly. 

You cant set up a fancy nob to ignition cut for a quick change like a real sequential box.... so what’s the point. Well I suppose you could but the shift won’t be any quicker because of the synchro’s. *ignition cut..... cutting..... cutting...sweet they’re matched now”. To do that you’ll need a fancy nob ($1000-$1600 depending on what one you choose) and an ECU that can do that so that rules out a Power FC.

“Farrrrkk, you got a sequential bro?”

”Nah man, still a factory box but it looks like I do. Sick hey!. Can you like my car on Insta and Facetube?”

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Take the money and put something decent on the car! It’s junk and belongs in the dumpster!

 

[Ben C34]

I'd Reccomended a power glide.

[GTSBoy]

I'm staying on the sensible bandwagon.

 

Strapping a fake vagina onto a bloke does not make me want to f**k him.  Same principle.

[WantGTR]

If you want a sequential. Pony up and get a sequential.

 

This would go well with a brembo style brake covers.

[260DET]

Sequential would be rubbish in traffic but for a  bit of track time for someone who likes a sequential this Bremer shifter makes a lot of sense. A dog box sequential is something else again, in outlay and in use, it certainly would be more awkward to use in traffic. Don't know about Nissan boxes but for Tremecs there are shift enhancements available including carbon fibre syncro rings so box life with them should be good. 

There is nothing fake here, it's an option which would make sense for some.

 

 

[mlracing]

Ikeya Formula have been doing this for years. Presumably you still need to use the clutch like you do with the Ikeya one

[Dose Pipe Sutututu]

17 hours ago, mlracing said:

Ikeya Formula have been doing this for years. Presumably you still need to use the clutch like you do with the Ikeya one

and they're shit.. that sequential shifter is also shit.. you forget to clutch and boom!

A proper sequential box, with strain gauge to cut ignition/rpm and/or shut your TB via DBW is the only way.

You can't just throw loads of RPM and torque in between gears, even DSG cuts torque via a torque management strategy - thus the farts and pops.

[260DET]

Just because you have a sequential shift like this one does not mean the car has to be driven like it's a big dollar race box, it can be shifted at the same speed as usual. Sure shifting will require a bit of learning but so does double declutching  which plenty of drivers can't do well yet still manage to do decent times without wrecking gearboxes. A strain gauge setup could be fitted but I don't think that anyone is claiming  that for a full on race use this is the best shifter.

Yet to see any coherent argument that this sequential would not suit someone who particularly wants a sequential shift but realises this one's limitations. Because it will work within those limitations.

[GTSBoy]

Benefits cf not spending the money on it and continuing to use the H-pattern box as originally intended?  I fail to see them.

[Dose Pipe Sutututu]

Sequential shift, but you still need to use the clutch and make sure you lift off the accelerator... quite pointless and being Nissan, the FS5W30A gearset, they don't like to be shifted fast and at super high RPM.

[GTofuS-T]

All these negative comments I could understand if you were going from an actual sequential gearbox with all the bells and whistes, to a standard box with this kit on it.

Anyone who is only used to the ol' H-pattern on the track is still going to have clutch on accel off muscle memory and an idea of their rev range, unless they are literally retarded.

The benefits I can see are: 

• the shifter location, i.e. closer to the steering wheel for those who aren't sick leb dream boats that drive with one hand on the gearknob at all times for that phallic sensation.
• reinforces the practice of downshifting through the gears, rather than say from 4 to 2,
• minimises the memory requirement of the current gear, especially when you're mixing it up, trying 2nd instead of 3rd at a slower corner to keep the revs up for example, and the gearknob is some 10 to 15cm south west of where you thought it was

of course all this still requires the driver to be actively thinking about what they're doing, which to be quite honest, that's literally your one job while driving, is to think about driving.

So for my shitty track car worth <$5k am I going to spend $20+k on a sequential? hell no, $1.5k on a lever? much more likely

[Sir Lord Van Von Vader'ham]

Hi all, thread revamp 

Im looking to buy one of the new Speedtek dog gearsets (i know the history) and was wondering if one of the sequential conversions above would work, noting the concerns re normal syncros.