GTR R32 Build

[BK]

100% get it if your budget allows. On an R32 with this kit you have the added bonus that it also replaces the standard craptacular 32 in tank fuel level sender.  I hate them so much - such a shitty, unreliable, fragile design.

[Unzipped Composites]

Looks like a well thought out, proper kit, I like it. 

[oktaytrz]

3 hours ago, BK said:

100% get it if your budget allows. On an R32 with this kit you have the added bonus that it also replaces the standard craptacular 32 in tank fuel level sender.  I hate them so much - such a shitty, unreliable, fragile design.

Ordered the Frenchies hat?

Hopefully by end of next week, the gearbox will be in and all the engine bay refitting will start. 

 

[BakemonoRicer]

19 hours ago, Unzipped Composites said:

 

Go on then, I'll bite... What is PRP doing wrong that Kulig have nailed? Or do you just not like them because they understand how to sell a product? For the record, every product needs marketing. Coke is the biggest soft drink company in the world, they still spend $4 billion a year on marketing. Being ambitious is not a bad thing, and it also has no bearing on the quality of your product. Understanding that is the difference between being a clever dude supplying a local niche market with a well made product, and being a clever dude with a well made product running a company on a global scale. 

 

As a small business owner myself who is absolutely passionate and committed to providing what I believe to be the most innovative and functional products on the market; nothing frustrates me more than seeing people so high up the first slope of the Dunning-Kruger effect that they are lost in the clouds, bleating out their opinions with the intelligence of a fainting goat.

 

You're entitled to your opinion Benji, and I respect that you value quality. By all means, I'm sure we would all actually love to hear about what makes Kulig so good. But attempting to reinforce your position by just slagging off an Australian run business without actually bringing any facts at all just shades you as a man of average intelligence with an above average size wallet. 

 

/rant ??

Let's just say - I have seen a companies block brace (not naming names here) that required redrilling, modifying, planeing etc to actually work. Sorry, but that's just not on ay, any block brace should be damn near spot on. 

Also, crank triggers, none of them are perfect, but do they beat the OEM CAS, absolutely!! The cam part of the Kulig is not the best hence why my trigger setup is modified to optimise a small potential 'weak link'. Would I use P R products for my cars, no, have i been recommended them, no. That's enough for me, you don't see big hitters like HKS/JUN/Supertech/Kelford/CP Pistons/ Manly Rods etc etc adding constant revisions to their products. I'm not a guinea pig.

[Ben C34]

Sounds like Kulig do need to add a revision though? Or you prefer the fact they don't revise it to fix the 'weak link'?

[hattori hanzo]

I do not have any PRP products and absolutely not a fanboi of PRP or any product motive pushes, and also personally know 3 people with horror stories of dealing with Herman,  however  

 

I wouldn’t judge PRP on constantly innovating the product, HKS/JUN etc have not done anything in years as the demand is waning in japan for these items. Meanwhile Australia is leading the charge and that shows with the number of great products on offer at the moment developed and made locally.

 

Why would you buy an old tech HKS turbo? When you can get a precision of garret which performs far better  for the same if not less $.

 

2 hours ago, BakemonoRicer said:

Let's just say - I have seen a companies block brace (not naming names here) that required redrilling, modifying, planeing etc to actually work. Sorry, but that's just not on ay, any block brace should be damn near spot on. 

Also, crank triggers, none of them are perfect, but do they beat the OEM CAS, absolutely!! The cam part of the Kulig is not the best hence why my trigger setup is modified to optimise a small potential 'weak link'. Would I use P R products for my cars, no, have i been recommended them, no. That's enough for me, you don't see big hitters like HKS/JUN/Supertech/Kelford/CP Pistons/ Manly Rods etc etc adding constant revisions to their products. I'm not a guinea pig.

 

[Unzipped Composites]

5 hours ago, BakemonoRicer said:

Let's just say - I have seen a companies block brace (not naming names here) that required redrilling, modifying, planeing etc to actually work. Sorry, but that's just not on ay, any block brace should be damn near spot on. 

Also, crank triggers, none of them are perfect, but do they beat the OEM CAS, absolutely!! The cam part of the Kulig is not the best hence why my trigger setup is modified to optimise a small potential 'weak link'. Would I use P R products for my cars, no, have i been recommended them, no. That's enough for me, you don't see big hitters like HKS/JUN/Supertech/Kelford/CP Pistons/ Manly Rods etc etc adding constant revisions to their products. I'm not a guinea pig.

 

So tell me, what HAVE you seen of the product development from those companies? You dont see it because you haven't got anything to do with those companies. Have you got any experience developing any sort of product at all? I can say with absolute certainty, those companies have revised and refined their products. Anybody that has been around for years will be constantly looking for improvements, thats how you stay at the top. 

I work in motorsport. I've seen suspension arms from Porsche Motorsport that needed milling to fit properly on a GT3R. I've seen that same GT3R need a new $27,000 starter motor because an inherent design flaw meant that when the car went into the sand trap it ingested some sand. Does that mean Porsche are no good? I've seen AP Racing supply dog bones for their own big brake kit for a Lotus Exige that were way off, didn't have a hope of fitting. Turns out they had revised their drawings since developing the product and hadn't tested them. Does that make AP Racing no good? Ive seen nitrous kits from Wizards of Nos that were burning out solenoids after idling for 10 seconds and they couldn't tell you why because they tried to change the game with a very clever design with very complex electronics, and somewhere along the line the guy doing the electronics had retired and the company lost that knowledge. Does that make Wizards of Nos no good? I've only been in the game for 8 years, so I can only imagine some of the things that people who have 30-40 years of experience have seen. Its just part of the industry, so yes - you are 100% a guinea pig. 

 

I have also seen a PRP block brace with integrated main caps that needed some refinement. Needed the parting faces milled, needed a groove machined behind the bearing saddle, and needed 2 holes tapped. Milling the parting faces and line boring is going to be a given, that can't be "spot on" off the shelf because it is different for every engine, thats part of the machining. As for the groove and the 2 untapped holes, that information was relayed back to Herman, he made the revisions and sent over a replacement. But it was hardly anything to write home about in the first place.

 

To be clear, I am a massive fan of PRP. As I am of Hypertune, as I am of Plazmaman, as I am of Haltech, as I am of Turbosmart, as I am of any Australian company that is involved in developing high end products for a niche market. And doing it their way because they believe in their ideas and they have a genuine desire to be the best in the business. Honestly, it's one thing to say "nah I'm not going to run this product on my car, I like this product better". Its another to just casually slag off a small business because you once got a glimpse of the reality of product development.

 

Comments like that can cause so much damage to a business, and when it's hearsay and opinions from people with no actual knowledge or experience then that is so frustrating to see.

 

[Old man 32 GTR]

Well I wouldn’t call myself a PRP fan boy but I have some of their products on my car and have had nil issues. I use their trigger kit, r35 coil kit bracket and cas bracket. 
anyway I think we are straying off topic, back to the build! 

[oktaytrz]

Update:

Picked up some Genuine parts from Nissan today such as radiator upper and lower shroud and the fan ?

Will be ordering the FPR2000 next week.

[Predator1]

On 30/09/2020 at 6:12 PM, oktaytrz said:

Awesome, thanks mate. 

Lets talk about the good old fuel set ups now

Learning towards Frenchies twin pump in tank fuel system kit AN8.

https://frenchysperformancegarage.com/collections/nissan-skyline-r32gt-r/products/r32gt-r-twin-pump-in-tank-fuel-system-kit-an8

with 2x Walbro 460's. Power goal with e85 is 450-480kw. 25/26psi maximum boost.  I'm happy with 500hp on pump fuel and im sure we will hit that power level with the current set up. 

Hey mate, I have this exact kit, with twin Walbro's as well. I also have the FPR 2000. What size lines will you be running? I've got -10 feed and -8 return with 1650 FIC injectors.

Looks like you've got a similar fuel setup.

[BakemonoRicer]

On 10/1/2020 at 11:20 AM, Unzipped Composites said:

 

So tell me, what HAVE you seen of the product development from those companies? You dont see it because you haven't got anything to do with those companies. Have you got any experience developing any sort of product at all? I can say with absolute certainty, those companies have revised and refined their products. Anybody that has been around for years will be constantly looking for improvements, thats how you stay at the top. 

I work in motorsport. I've seen suspension arms from Porsche Motorsport that needed milling to fit properly on a GT3R. I've seen that same GT3R need a new $27,000 starter motor because an inherent design flaw meant that when the car went into the sand trap it ingested some sand. Does that mean Porsche are no good? I've seen AP Racing supply dog bones for their own big brake kit for a Lotus Exige that were way off, didn't have a hope of fitting. Turns out they had revised their drawings since developing the product and hadn't tested them. Does that make AP Racing no good? Ive seen nitrous kits from Wizards of Nos that were burning out solenoids after idling for 10 seconds and they couldn't tell you why because they tried to change the game with a very clever design with very complex electronics, and somewhere along the line the guy doing the electronics had retired and the company lost that knowledge. Does that make Wizards of Nos no good? I've only been in the game for 8 years, so I can only imagine some of the things that people who have 30-40 years of experience have seen. Its just part of the industry, so yes - you are 100% a guinea pig. 

 

I have also seen a PRP block brace with integrated main caps that needed some refinement. Needed the parting faces milled, needed a groove machined behind the bearing saddle, and needed 2 holes tapped. Milling the parting faces and line boring is going to be a given, that can't be "spot on" off the shelf because it is different for every engine, thats part of the machining. As for the groove and the 2 untapped holes, that information was relayed back to Herman, he made the revisions and sent over a replacement. But it was hardly anything to write home about in the first place.

 

To be clear, I am a massive fan of PRP. As I am of Hypertune, as I am of Plazmaman, as I am of Haltech, as I am of Turbosmart, as I am of any Australian company that is involved in developing high end products for a niche market. And doing it their way because they believe in their ideas and they have a genuine desire to be the best in the business. Honestly, it's one thing to say "nah I'm not going to run this product on my car, I like this product better". Its another to just casually slag off a small business because you once got a glimpse of the reality of product development.

 

Comments like that can cause so much damage to a business, and when it's hearsay and opinions from people with no actual knowledge or experience then that is so frustrating to see.

 

I really disagree that companys need to constantly revise a product like a block brace, a crank trigger or anything of that nature. Honestly, if they do the maths & R&D they get it right. What I don't agree with is shitloads of revisions and using customers as Guinea cops.

Is AP Racing a big hitter in brakes , not really dude. Brembo/Alcon are the big hitters and I don't see them getting it wrong. AP is just a more cost effective approach than their big brother Brembo. But again, these are two completely different types of parts we are talking about here. Sorry, but I have no sympathy for companys that make mistakes and disguise it as revisions. In the building game, one mistake can cost a fortune to fix and we are liable to fix it, whereas aftermarket parts manufacturers in the car game DO NOT HAVE ANY responsibility. I've been in two cars now where Gktech suspension arms have failed with no warning! Does that happen with my Ikeya Formula arms, NO!!!

There needs to be more comments like mine because everyone on the internets holds their tongue if theyve made bad decisions or has used a bad product. Sure you like to support Aus companys, nothing wrong with that, but I don't support companys that claim "bolt on", but then later make the customers do the maths or the R&D!! Sure the Japs are a bit backwards in the product development but I've never bought ANYTHING from the big names in Japan that doesn't fit 100%.

[Unzipped Composites]

2 hours ago, BakemonoRicer said:

Is AP Racing a big hitter in brakes , not really dude.

 

I mean ???

 

 

More comments like yours? You mean of how you have no first hand experience with the parts you're slagging off, but you once saw someone else have an issue but you're not really sure what it was because it wasn't you? So in an attempt to cover your ignorance, you use vague qualifiers like "let's just say"; that sort of comment? I'd say the internet is pretty chocked full of comments like that man. 

Honestly, I'm not saying don't have opinions, you're welcome to your opinion. But before you say stuff like that, just have a think about what you are actually saying, and whether you actually have the knowledge of what happened to say it. First of all, have a bit of perspective: the issues that I had seen on a single PRP block brace/girdle - and based on your vague description of the issues, I am virtually certain that if it wasn't even the exact same build that you are referring to then it was at least just the same issues on the same part prior to the revisions being made - these were FAR from catastrophic errors waiting to happen. You're not talking inferior materials or weak design. You're talking minor issues that caused a bit of annoyance and extra machine work in order to fit the brace. The types of mistakes that you let the manufacturer know about so they can make some adjustments and things can go smoother for future users. And secondly, if you want to offer advice and help others with their builds - talk about what you do know, and products that you have used/had good experienced with. All of this talking shit about a product you haven't used personally, and we still haven't heard a single word about what makes Kulig so good. Or why Ross would be your second choice.

 

You're talking about PRP and throwing them in the same bracket as Gktech (who I don't have a problem with, but they are more entry level gear and budget alternatives - with that comes sacrifices in quality). And then attempting to justify it by doing the same thing with a company like AP Racing for f**k sake - thats a 100 year old company who's products are used in OEM and in F1. If you think Japanese aftermarket manufacturers like HKS and Jun are 'big hitters', but AP Racing are not - then let's just leave it there.

[Robzilla32]

Another good topic ruined by Bakemono's BS...what a surprise

[Unzipped Composites]

30 minutes ago, Robzilla32 said:

Another good topic ruined by Bakemono's BS...what a surprise

 

Yeh, and apologies for my part in it Oktaytrz, I'll leave it alone and let you get back to the build!

[BakemonoRicer]

48 minutes ago, Unzipped Composites said:

 

I mean ???

 

 

More comments like yours? You mean of how you have no first hand experience with the parts you're slagging off, but you once saw someone else have an issue but you're not really sure what it was because it wasn't you? So in an attempt to cover your ignorance, you use vague qualifiers like "let's just say"; that sort of comment? I'd say the internet is pretty chocked full of comments like that man. 

Honestly, I'm not saying dont have opinions, youre welcome to your opinion. But before you say stuff like that, just have a think about what you are actually saying, and whether you actually have the knowledge of what happened to say it. Youre talking about PRP and throwing them in the same bracket as Gktech. And then attempting to justify it by doing the same thing with a company like AP Racing for f**k sake - thats a 100 year old company who's products are used in OEM and in F1. If you think Japanese aftermarket manufacturers like HKS and Jun are 'big hitters', but AP Racing are not - then let's just leave it there.

Martin, I think your understanding of anything Nissan RB related is minimal.

Sure , you build carbon bits, but you are yet to proove you can build a RB big spec package. There's a 2500hp 3.2L floating around here in sydney and it doesn't run a block brace, oh and it has a cast factory inlet plenum, but heck, the internet says thats wrong and companies say "you need a block brace, you need a plenum!!!". Well, I think there are some things to spend on and some things not to. So if I like a crank trigger better than other options, its because I know the right people who have been there done that.

 

[oktaytrz]

19 hours ago, Predator1 said:

Hey mate, I have this exact kit, with twin Walbro's as well. I also have the FPR 2000. What size lines will you be running? I've got -10 feed and -8 return with 1650 FIC injectors.

Looks like you've got a similar fuel setup.

Hi mate,

I think we are using the hicas lines for either feed or return im not sure but i know we are also using -8 lines.

Im buying the same injectors as well. What power have you made with your set up? My set up will be exactly like yours?

[oktaytrz]

2 hours ago, Unzipped Composites said:

 

Yeh, and apologies for my part in it Oktaytrz, I'll leave it alone and let you get back to the build!

thats all good mate. People just need to ask the question "is there a reason why you haven't considered xxx?" instead of you should get a trigger kit for. 

Im working 3 jobs in order to finish this car as i am working full time, have 2 casual jobs, running a business and building this car all at the same time as well as having a family. There's a lot of stuff I would do to make the car perfect (for my eyes though, not to please others) but unfortunately I'm not in a suitable position to do it yet. 

If I could, I'd get an extended sump, nitto oil pump, ross/prp trigger kit, plazmaman plenum, head machined for bigger cams etc etc. At the end of the day, I have to work with what I have and I think (for me) this is the best path. 

 

Back on the build, I picked up a genuine spoiler for 350 so I feel lucky! Its in shit condition but I've started sending it already.

Once the car is mechanically complete, im giving myself a $2k budget to perfect the interior. 

[Predator1]

On 03/10/2020 at 5:40 AM, oktaytrz said:

Hi mate,

I think we are using the hicas lines for either feed or return im not sure but i know we are also using -8 lines.

Im buying the same injectors as well. What power have you made with your set up? My set up will be exactly like yours?

Ah right, so your HICAS will be the return lines then as they are slightly bigger then the fuel lines. I pulled my HICAS out last weekend and appreciated the size difference.

Mine hasnt started yet, will be hopefully by end of this month. Power goals, no idea, but limited by my turbo i'd say. You?

[oktaytrz]

4 minutes ago, Predator1 said:

Ah right, so your HICAS will be the return lines then as they are slightly bigger then the fuel lines. I pulled my HICAS out last weekend and appreciated the size difference.

Mine hasnt started yet, will be hopefully by end of this month. Power goals, no idea, but limited by my turbo i'd say. You?

What turbo do you have?

My power goal with e85 is anything over 450kw and 390kw on pump fuel. I don't think I want to push the car more than 25/26 pounds on boost. Lets see what happens..

[Predator1]

2 hours ago, oktaytrz said:

What turbo do you have?

My power goal with e85 is anything over 450kw and 390kw on pump fuel. I don't think I want to push the car more than 25/26 pounds on boost. Lets see what happens..

I have a EFR 9180. I want to max my turbo and see what she makes.

You should be able to hit 450awkw as long as the tune is spot on.