Wolf 3d V4?

[slayer]

Anyone had any experience with the new Wolf 3d V4?

The guys at Per4Manz here in Perth swear they can get better results, quicker and significantly cheaper than a PowerFC based solution with this setup.

The unit has inbuilt boost control, MAP sensor, thermal compensation, closed loop support, full realtime mapping and good PC software etc..

Anyone used one of these systems, or even the older V3?

Any info would be appreciated.

Conrad

[rev210]

Originally posted by slayer

Anyone had any experience with the new Wolf 3d V4?

The guys at Per4Manz here in Perth swear they can get better results, quicker and significantly cheaper than a PowerFC based solution with this setup.

The unit has inbuilt boost control, MAP sensor, thermal compensation, closed loop support, full realtime mapping and good PC software etc..

Conrad

The old wolf systems were ok.

I would not believe that with a hand-controller and PFC for $1600odd is going to be more expensive to setup than a new Wolf, considering the extra labour cost involved with the re-wiring needed on the wolf (PFC bolts straight in).

As far as quicker to setup, again if we start timing from the opening of the 'box' ,no way. Then again if you aren't much chop tuning the PFC the wolf could be faster once plugged in.

Better results ? Yes the wolf has more customisable MAPs, in theory you can get greater tuning resolution out of it. However I think the PFC has twice as many points as are necessary to get a decent tune. IF you use every single point you will spend alot of dyno time money. Another thing worth considering is the retention of the AFM, its a good thing on a road car. The response of the AFM is superior to a MAP sensor and will show itself in the fuel ecconomy and bottom end response.

Also the boost control option on the wolf (like a number of other systems) is pretty crap, you should consider an EBC even if you end up getting it.

[b2barker]

Originally posted by rev210

Another thing worth considering is the retention of the AFM, its a good thing on a road car. The response of the AFM is superior to a MAP sensor and will show itself in the fuel ecconomy and bottom end response.

Got some more info on this rev210? I always though MAP was better than AFM because it didn't restrict air flow (and you can BOV to atmo if you are into that sort of thing).

[slayer]

Hmm interesting - there is so many opinions as to which is better for a daily driver out there, I dont know who to believe...

The arguments for the Wolf included that is has closed loop support so it provides good off-boost fuel economy and throttle response.

The other point the tuner raised was the inability to accurately (or quickly) tune the PFC due to the handset programming..he suggested a number of engines around town had been fried due to the dyno time required to dial in a PFC correctly.

I really dont know which way to go on this - the Wolf can be fitted with boost control and dyno time for $1600, using a baseline map they have developed previously on their own R33, the PFC SECOND HAND is $1600 PLUS boost controller option seperate, and then dyno time.

Plus it supports temperature compensation and other niceties, which the PFC doesnt fully.

I like the fact the Wolf 3d support deceleration fueling (the Link in my WRX didnt and you almost bounced off the windscreen when coming off the throttle) which goes some way to smoothing oout the driving experience.

As far as MAP sensors.. I thought this was the preferred option - or is it only preferred for pure power output, and not the street drivability??

I am in Perth, so the tuning options are limited - Per4Manz seem to have a good rep as far as tuning, but I know I can use Brett from PSI Performance with the PFC too..

The PFC is the preferred option by most R33 owners, I guess there is reasoning behind this.

Anyone in Perth got either systems fitted that can take me for a spin to get a feel for the drivability?

Conrad

[whistla]

iv got the Wolf3D version4 Plug in and Play for the R33 GTSt

couldnt be more happier, paid $1600 including hand controller..thats also including some extra tuning from base map

has a heap of features many which pFC dont support

unfortunantly, im in melbourne...feel free to PM me any questions

[rev210]

The Wolf and the PFC aren't the only systems out there.

The e-manage gives both a run for the money, the cost is about the same as the Wolf (PC or E-01 controller tune). The E-01 is a fantastic boost cont its own.

Nengun is the place to buy the Greddy e-manage and E-01 from at the best price.