Anyone watch channle 7 2night?

[GWP021]

Years ago in one of my V8's I had, the exhaust system was a little noisy when accelerating hard. I took off from the lights rapidly but hadn't gone over the speed limit. At the time I was a smart ass and thought that because I wasn't going over the speed limit I couldn't get booked for anything. I was unaware of the excessive  noise law. Consequently I did it once too often and  was stopped and booked for undue noise and copped a yellow postage stamp as well. I guess that would be an example of excessive acceleration.  I'd say a noisy exhaust is always going to attract attention.

The braking, well I've mentioned that b/4. I might add that my series 1 "line" has ABS so screaching my brakes is not going to happen.

Judging by the law as mentioned previously, the speeding side of things will be cut and dried. The proof will be unquestionable, radar readouts, multanovas. As for the other infringments, the judge will be the decider and executioner and I would say that if the offender pleads not guilty, things like past record will come into it.  

My cousin has mentioned that he knows of a couple of cops that had their cases thrown out in the past because of lack of evidence. I'm sure that the judge will be well aware that some cops will be out to screw people and that's where past records will also help him make a judgement.

I might also add as I've mentioned b/4 in the other thread, that the likes of dangerous and careless driving has for a long time been  a charge laid  by the individual cops. Some abused their authority and some didn't. The stakes are a bit higher now so it's really up to us to keep our noses clean and perhaps the club  could go public and distance itself from dickheads like the Silvia driver.

hear ya jus know peeps who have been ta court an its been them vs the fuzz who do you think normally won?

my records clean no fine or recorded accident ( i say recorded there was this lil incident involving me, wet road an a ditch) in years but my rides loud no matter how i take off an its hard to get tractiion in the wet some days ( like rain after a dry patch) i try ta do the right thing all the time so hears hoping *fingers crossed* no trouble for all doing the right thing

[G0DF4Th3R]

I'll leave the Leach Highway incident aside. Lets just say that I know a little more than what you might think about that one. It's not the appropriate place to say too much more.

i was hanging out with them having coffee before they drove off and the incident occured i was there before the ambulance and police etc all got there. how close were u to the incident?

[R33_Cam]

The laws good but should still run through the courts, as it is now you have no chance to defend yourself, which means your guilty until proven innocent, if found guilty in the court system, sure confiscate the car for the said amount of time, but its just wrong to just rely on the word of the cop and not give the car owner/user a chance in defending him/her self in the appropriate manner.

[tigeryas]

Yeah i was interested on what SilviaWA wouldve done bout this, if a skyline was involved it'll give us a bad name... its given a bad name to jap cars already anyway

by the way the link didnt work... i guess cos i aint a SilviaWA member...

[Nexus_SiX]

Enough of this already.

[awill]

A better alternative would certainly be community service, no jail that costs me $$ in tax no confiscation thats just a breach of our rights in my views untill cars become an illegal item.

And driver training and martial arts are deffinately a benefit and teach control and discipline and anyone that takes notice to what they have been taught will not be out there thinking they are a hero (what a stupid comment) the whole idea of driver training is to teach people these things we drive are not much different to misiles with brakes.

I would also love for someone to prove to me when the last time someeone died doing a burnout come on!

A place to take it off the roads would be a great idea but the government wouldnt cough up $$ for that they would rathere band aid the problem untill it becomes infected ( and 25 ppl die in police chases) and then they might help with funding.

Seems stupid as nearly everyone in Aus has a car and there are about half as many race tracks as methedone clinics and what % of the population is in need of this treatment.

[ric777]

sorry about the smoker remark , i wanted to get a reaction like you gave me and give people that break heavy nere your house. did you think about the people that live were you were caught speeding.

That's Ok.

I was pulled up just down from Kenwick Motors (Albany h/way), no houses nearby.

[RBVS]

your comments would suggest otherwise. Read what you posted and your might understand from those comments that you are pissed with my reaction to some dickhead causing a disturbance outside my place

your right a am angry at your reaction. Throwing a peace of wood at a car is just as bad as what they were doing.

You dont seem willing to acept any of the arguments against the law and just state the propogander some woman has been feed on how many people die from speeding. It is all too easy to come up with statiscs that would sudjest this law will fix things.

Well i could make up alot of arguments and static's to give a differnt point of view but they wouldnt win me votes. As people are saying using such words as hoons and the complete law beeing very unclear to many tells me their not interested in saving life's but wining votes. Its sad you cant see that.

[DiPsHiT]

ok i been skim reading the forum... due to me not being online for a while... uni assignments and stuff...

ok me = 17 year old, with r33 gts, no abs? bad tyres?

in rain i often find it hard to slow the car down, even from under the speed limit, on a couple of occasions ive slid a bit whilst trying to slow down as lights turned amber, didn't want to speed through, as cameras around, like the car stopped infront of line still... but jus for that lil screech, would my car be confiscated for wreckless driving or hooning? oh btw, the tyres are still legal to be driven with

[insane]

HOON LEGISLATION

QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS ABOUT THE NEW LEGISLATION.

Road Traffic Amendment (Impounding And Confiscation Of Vehicles) Act 2004

What offence have I been charged with?

A Police Officer has witnessed you committing a driving offence (i.e. one or more of the following):

Racing with another vehicle;

Attempting to establish or break a speed record/s;

Speed, acceleration, braking or steering capability is being tested or contested in any way;

Skill of driver is being tested or contested;

<--- does this sound stupid to anyone else? I mean how will those poor L platers ever get enough courage to go for their licence when the cops will be after them. I mean please...

WILL SOMEONE THINK OF THE CHILDREN!

[tigeryas]

hahahahah nice one insane

what if drifting / speeding doesnt test my skill? what if my skill level is higher or if i'm contesting against myself etc etc? <- heh heh just jokes, but this should go in the postwhore... oh well

maybe i just wont drive in the wet or else i'll skid me tyres... any manual driver with a relatively strong car has skidded his wheels on accerlating on a wet day... add that with your car revving above 3000 and ur car's booked for a 2 day holiday... sounds pretty crappy (if ur're unlucky)...

[33Spec2]

i think younger drivers and ppl with performance cars are being unfairly targeted i think the rule should apply to every1 and it defineatly needs a lot of fine tuning

but if it gets rid of the crappadores doing burnouts in the park across the road from me them im all for it

so far the people they hav caught under the new law were doing stuff ridiculously stupid so i dont think we need to stress out so much as i doubt they will take your car away just coz your tyres spin for a split second becoz itll mean lots of court cases and lots of people contesting it which means lots of time and money wasted

[ric777]

your right a am angry at your reaction. Throwing a peace of wood at a car is just as bad as what they were doing.

You dont seem willing to acept any of the arguments against the law and just state the propogander some woman has been feed on how many people die from speeding. It is all too easy to come up with statiscs that would sudjest this law will fix things.

Well i could make up alot of arguments and static's to give a differnt point of view but they wouldnt win me votes. As people are saying using such words as hoons and the complete law beeing very unclear to many tells me their not interested in saving life's but wining votes. Its sad you cant see that.

What don't I see?? If you read my posts you will see my attempt to explain the law as "I" see it. Most of it, to me, is very straight forward. The grey area, namely acceleration/braking is not likely to pose a problem to me but if you read what I said, you will see that I claim a bad cop will probably exploit this area of the law. I have given an example of each of these 2 items that I thought would constitute a penalty. Anything less than that is up to the prosecuting cop. Sorry if that comment offends you but I'm sure that's the way it will pan out. I think you will find that I understand the concerns of some of these guys if you can be prepared to study what I say.

Some have made comments that are knee jerk reactions without even knowing the content of the law. My remarks to these were probably not what you wanted to hear. I call it as I see it.

You seem to disbelieve the claims of the deaths caused by hoons. I would suggest that the minister just didn't wake up one morning and said "oh, today I think I will piss a few people off and bring out this law.

You should be aware that laws often take some time b/4 they are implemented. Often much lobbying takes place by the public. An example was the legislation which gives citizens the right to defend themselves from a burglar. That took far longer to implement than most would have wanted. When deaths are involved, you will find legislation being fast tracked.

As far as the new law being a revenue raiser, well because of the amount of people involved, I can not even understand why anyone would make that comment. Do the maths, you might realise the futility of that arguement.

Your anger to my reaction in the way I dealt with the hoon in front of my place still bothers me. Phoning the cops was a futile exercise and had I not done anything it just wouldn't have stopped. Oh by the way, I wasn't the only one in the street that was pissed off.

Sexzila's feelings for the road rager that hit him are my sentiments exactly and I would be taking the same course of action as he wishes to take. I suppose you think I'm an asshole for thinking this way as well.

[ric777]

i think younger drivers and ppl with performance cars are being unfairly targeted i think the rule should apply to every1 and it defineatly needs a lot of fine tuning

but if it gets rid of the crappadores doing burnouts in the park across the road from me them im all for it

so far the people they hav caught under the new law were doing stuff ridiculously stupid so i dont think we need to stress out so much as i doubt they will take your car away just coz your tyres spin for a split second becoz itll mean lots of court cases and lots of people contesting it which means lots of time and money wasted

Good call on the last part of your post and as for the first part, it is one of the issues that I would like to mention to our beloved minister. I would suggest that they would be in breach of the anti-discrimination/equal opportunity act if that is their intention. She mentioned this morning that she wants the law to enable the public to dob in hoons. That is total BS and she knows it. As I am aware of the law as it now stands, I can not make a complaint to the cops against someone else for a traffic violation of most kinds except something like a hit and run. What she is saying would also constitute a breach of the anti-discrimination/equal opportunity act. The laywers would have a field day. I think it is probably a bit of a smoke screen for the law just introduced.

[Kutter]

nevertheless,as this is new law is being implemented; the ministers and public will be looking for "results" so to speak.

So I suggest we all be extra careful and not become scapegoats of this witchhunt....it's about the only thing we can do for now...give it 3 months....and see how this goes...after all...we always conduct ourselves in an orderly manner on the roads now don't we?

[tigeryas]

sounds about right Kutter, just let the falcodores take all the hits first aye?

take it all out on the forum and keep it clean on the streets....heh ... ok maybe not on the forum but at least keep it clean on the streets...

[tbeffect]

The bigger issue here is the amount of people that can't spell LOSE.

[RBVS]

ric777, were never going to agree but it is fun to debate.

The thing is I DO think the minister got up one morning and saw the recent media hype of street racing as an avenue to gain popularity.I mean there are already trafic laws and fines and jail time.

See i feel that there could have been a better option. That is providing the street racing population with better avanues then racing on a puplic street. If you have ever been to a proper orgainsed illegal street meet then you would see that these people are not the same as so call hoons. They will drive far out side of public areas as cearfully as posible as to not draw attention and then race on the flatest longest unpopulated road they can fined. I cant see that as being reckless.

The example i can think of is with drugs. They are illegeal but you see such places that facilitate drug uses with shooting rooms. And such help avaliable on educating party type drug uses. Now this will not get you a seat in parlarment but it will save a sh#t load of lives. fact.

[REPRAZENT]

Just saw this topic & had a quick skim throu...

I got a call from a journalist from the Stirling Community paper about the hoon laws & if I was interested in doing an interview to explain the point of view about the new laws from a modified car owner.

I agreed to the interview...

I basiclly just said that I have no issues with the fact that if someone is doing something wrong then they suffer the penalties. They knew that I had been hassled by cops a fair bit so they wanted to know if i felt like a target for these new laws. End result being that I made it clear that providing police implement these laws on the driver for their behaviour on the roads not for the way that they appear then there is no problem.

I think we're all to aware of the fact that the spotlight is on young drivers with modified vehicles.

The story should be in the community paper next tuesday.

So if your in that area then look out for it.... im not sure if other community papers other then Stirling will use the story, they said their may be a chance that it will get used in other papers.

[RBVS]

reprazent; cool ill try and see it. how did you just get a call?