Lets kick the bitch!

[Jengi]

It's almost worth putting in a few extra years of uni just to become a cop in reaping the benefits of endorsed corruption I guess.

I'm more annoyed to think that none of them could care less about anyones safety in passing these laws and prefer to count the incoming figures. Best source of revenue for the government really.

[skyzerr33]

In any case I think labors botched up on many other areas and won't be staying for another term anyway.

on the local level this is true, ie raising taxes for buisnesses this doesn't help improve growth in the economy, nurses being lied to about no money for payrises, when the government annouces oh look we have an extra 800 odd million in coffers this year due to our tax system. No stamp duty changes for housing, continually making it harder for 1st home buyers to get into the market.

on a federal level who knows they haven't been in for awhile but is Latham going to be good for Australia? no idea. The doubt on if Howard stays for the full term is another problem, why Costello is bad news, he may be able to run an encoomy in an overall friendly global market in the period hes been treasurer but he just comes off as a slimey weasal.

for those of you who asked at the start what happens at the election

well voting wastes about 30min of ur day if ur lucky other wise it is hours.

the fun part is running the gauntlet of all parties shoving fliers in your face trying to get you to change your mind at the last minute. best way to deal with them is to tell to F---off, etc or get them into a fight with an apposing party (have actually seen this happen twice, and yes its people like this that we vote in to run our country)

you go in you get your name checked off.

you get your two bits of paper 1 big one one small one.

Big one is for the upper house.

there are 2 sections, above the line and below, you only have to vote in one section. above the line you just have place a one in the box relating to the party you wish to vote for. below the line you have to number each box (seen up to 50 here) with you want in the senate(upper house)

the smaller bit of paper is for the house of representatives ( ie ur local member of federal parliment) you number this 1 to whatever depending who you want to vote for.

put the bis of paper in there respective boxes, sigh and laugh at the suckers in the line waiting.

the best ways to deal with the hoon law is go with the petition method mentioned by tj. See your local member of state government (hope they are liberal, greens, independant other than labour) raise your issues and keep nagging them about via email or surface once a month.

The hoon laws have there good points, but the bad points are shockers.

[N I B]

What a sad thing it is to find out someone like John howard is your best option,Could be worse we could have a terrorist like G W Bush the worlds most dangerous man at this time.

[raasclaat]

What a sad thing it is to find out someone like John howard is your best option,Could be worse we could have a terrorist like G W Bush the worlds most dangerous man at this time.

oh god....you sound like a Triple J presenter.

i like John Howard

[RB20LagWagon]

How anyone can like john howard after the lies that he has obviously told the country over the passed 4 years, is beyond me.

[tomj]

at this time ill introduce the spainish bill 304040a, since we are so far off track

..................

back to the hoon laws, shall i perhaps put finger to keyboard and write out some thoughts for a petition?

[N I B]

Let get it done tj.

[PHATR32]

i want Kim Beasley back! i mean, when have you seen john or mark sitting around having a barbicue and drinking beer? never!

steve

[RB20LagWagon]

Ok because i didnt pay 500k for my house, yet i worked hard for my money, should i have to live near the screaming hords? Cant smell the elitism here in ol skyline land.

And rich people dont yell and argue? are they some type of super race. man ive seen so trashy people come out of the private schools around there and the pubs and clubs in the area. So to sum up my arguement, rich <> quality people

[JH32]

Ok you've missed my original grievance ...

This is my point, and I will paint a picture for you that might be easier for you to understand.

Imagine you paid 90k for an R34 GTR. You're happy with your GTR as you've worked hard and saved hard and managed to get half of the purchase price together to buy it. You've loaned the rest from the bank.

Then one day, the guy next door suddenly has an R34 GTR aswell. He has loaned the entire amount from the Government at a discount rate to you. In fact his repayments are only a third as much on the whole amount as you pay on half.

Would you be pissed ?

[raasclaat]

Ok because i didnt pay 500k for my house, yet i worked hard for my money, should i have to live near the screaming hords? Cant smell the elitism here in ol skyline land.

And rich people dont yell and argue? are they some type of super race. man ive seen so trashy people come out of the private schools around there and the pubs and clubs in the area. So to sum up my arguement, rich <> quality people

yes, because you didnt pay 500k for your house, yet you worked hard means you cannot afford to be in that area. WORK HARDER!!! It works the same way all over the world.

[R33 Impul]

Take this into consideration.

Colin Barnet over the weekend came up with the wonderful idea of a minimum 6 months imprisonment for all criminal convictions. So if you get busted for dangerous driving you can keep your car but you go to jail. However if that isn't bad enough there is nothing saying that a State Liberal Governement wouldn't support the law anyway, so you could well loose your car and 6 months of your life and more than likely your job. The previous Court Liberal Government is best remembered for 2 things 1. The Bell Tower 2. Signing the construction contract for the Convention centre. How have they help the normal everyday west aussie?? The Gallop Government has invested more money in state infrastructure and economic development in 4 years than the Court government did in 8 years...

Oh and guess what I support Labor

[Danzil]

Comment on Michelle Roberts Media Statment:

Well thank you for another pointless and stupid law. Pardon me for asking but do you have any clue as what is really required in achieving safe roads?

Training! So instead of overfilling your fat wallets from pointless speed cameras spend a little (Sorry I know that is hard for you to swallow) and enforce young drivers to focus on learning HOW to drive rather than on learning HOW to pass their driving test. Our system for acquiring a driver’s license is an absolute joke. Yes it is CHEAP to have them sit a stupid computer test and then go for an obviously routine drive. Well how about spending some MONEY on getting our young drivers to go through advanced driving courses to learn how a car will react under extreme situations and to learn from experience of possible dangers and repercussions. How about constructing more compact circuits around the metropolitan area, as they have in other countries, which will allow drivers more opportunity to go out and enjoy their cars in controlled environments. Obviously these alternatives are too time consuming for you people to look into and let’s not forget EXPENSIVE. No you just go about letting people acquire their licenses and allow them to go about driving thinking they are indestructible. Then it’s much easier to point the finger and come up with bonehead laws to make yourself look good. Because in the end its all about having a good image for the older population who actually vote and have no idea in these regards. Funny how that is!

Here is another point to chew on. Many of these “Hoons” are car enthusiasts and their cars mean more to them than you would understand. That is why by introducing a law like this you can expect a whole lot more high-speed chases and more danger to the public. I wonder why you did not include that in your statement? Its common sense that most of these cars will out run and out handle a police car so what kind of choices do you leave them with?

[Danzil]

Their Response:

Our Ref: 11-22388

Daniel

Dear Daniel

Thank you for your letter of 2 September, 2004.

This correspondence has been brought to the Minister's attention. She has asked that you be informed that she is examining the matter you have raised and will reply to you as soon as possible.

Once again, thank you for your letter.

Yours sincerely

Michelle Dreezens

Administrative Officer

8 September, 2004

[N I B]

They never replyed tao my Email:(

[RB20LagWagon]

yes, because you didnt pay 500k for your house, yet you worked hard means you cannot afford to be in that area.  WORK HARDER!!!  It works the same way all over the world.

yeah everyone gets everything they have, because they work hard. geeze i dont even want to go there.

[RB20LagWagon]

Ok you've missed my original grievance ...

This is my point, and I will paint a picture for you that might be easier for you to understand.

Imagine you paid 90k for an R34 GTR. You're happy with your GTR as you've worked hard and saved hard and managed to get half of the purchase price together to buy it. You've loaned the rest from the bank.

Then one day, the guy next door suddenly has an R34 GTR aswell. He has loaned the entire amount from the Government at a discount rate to you. In fact his repayments are only a third as much on the whole amount as you pay on half.

Would you be pissed ?

Ok living next to the guy that got the government GTR is a guy who got a Porsche GT3 by ripping off families who drive holden kingswoods and on the other side of the gtr guy is a guy with a Lotus Elise which was bought buy his scandinavian parents.

I still dont get your point. Your pissed because someone got a better deal on finance then you?

[N I B]

And now back to topic.

[dan_the_man]

Sooooo how bout that Michelle Roberts

[JH32]

Your pissed because someone got a better deal on finance then you?

No, because you obviously didn't pass year 10

Back on topic.