Drag racing suspected in crash deaths-StKilda

[NismoR34]

upgrading cooler is one of the first things you do in the modification stage before you get bigger turbo.

Correction: it's one of the first things RICERS do!~

Gojira: thought so

MeshMesh: those pics are after the Jaws Of Life have chopped up the car...sliding out of control into a pole at 70k in the wet would still do enough damage imo, not that i am saying they were doing 70...

I have posted enough in this thread.

:run:Im out

[INASNT]

hmm rice is something that doesent add power but look good. A fmic replacement for the pissy stock cooler gains alot of power!!! Or are you saying everyone with a fmic is a ricer???

[Downforce]

It affects you because you're ignorant and selfish enough to not have any sympathy for others, regardless of whatever the circumstances were at the time

Let's be clear about something - I'm not obliged to have sympathy for anyone who suffers as a result of careless driving or their own actions.

As I said, you don't know what happened; but all you care about is how it'll affect YOU

That was the whole point of my post wasn't it?? I could care less what you or anyone thinks of me on here. If you take offence to my comments or disagree - that's your problem not mine, but dont presume you can tell me what I can and cant say.

I've posted my comments and I have nothing further to add to this thread.

[sven laptop]

Quote: Originally Posted by GTTR34

Mate, shut the fcuk up. I dont give a fcuk what you think. I was referring to the driver of the skyline, and the others involved in the incident. It has nothing to do with disrespecting the dead. Get over it, I will say what I like and I stand by my comments. This affects me because I drive an import, live nearby to the area where this accident occurred, and I dont appreciate being harassed by cops because of the CARLESS actions of other drivers.

YOU, GTTR34 as much as anyone else, are the type who give Skylines/imports/enthusiasts' cars a bad name.

If you don't have any sympathy for 2 teenaged PASSENGERS who have been killed, regardless of the circumstances, then you're probably not going to give a fcuk (as you so cleverly type) about anyone else on the road.

That is what causes accidents & ill feeling - people who don't care about other road users.

Bagging other forum members for having a different opinion to yours really helps too, doesn't it???

No-one here knows what happened to cause that "accident", but it sure as hell doesn't help anyone to merely think about how it might affect you.

I hope I don't have the misfortune to be driving on the same stretch of road as you!

[Ait]

With regards to:

/It affects you because you're ignorant and selfish enough to not have any sympathy for others, regardless of whatever the circumstances were at the time

As I said, you don't know what happened; but all you care about is how it'll affect YOU Take a chill pill my first post wasn't aggressive and nor is this one/

I do admit...some sympathy and empathy must come out of this. However, sympathy has to stop at a certain point because a minority group of idiots have caused the law to typecast the rest of the law-abiding/track racing group. Some sympathy - Young life wasted. But it's hard to learn when your peers are all doing stupid things.

70km/h only? Righhhhhhhht :bs!: He's got so much to loose by telling the truth.

Soon we'll all have to drive camrys and magnas because things for import drivers will sooon degenerate.

[Downforce]

ERRR, sven laptop - your comments are laughable, now you say I give skyline/imports enthusiasts/drivers a bad name? pffft. How do you figure that one genius? Go and read my posts again, in each one I am referring to the DRIVER. Dont make this about me you moron, you dont know me. I didnt bag other forum users, yet people here are judging ME for having an opinion different to theirs. It's not my problem if people misread my posts and disagree with my view. Say what you like, I'm through with this discussion.

:bs!:

[Blade]

Correction: it's one of the first things RICERS do!~

Your kidding arent you? :zap: :zap: :zap:

[NismoR34]

Your kidding arent you?

No, I am not.

hmm rice is something that doesent add power but look good. A fmic replacement for the pissy stock cooler gains alot of power!!! Or are you saying everyone with a fmic is a ricer???

I know what rice is - putting on a FMIC, including the usual: widening / opening up of the front bar, an aftermarket front bar for more exposure, spraying big jap brand logos etc are all for show.

Even without the extra bits that usually go with a FMIC install - how much power exactly does a bigger intercooler give to a stock car [33 gtst]? Where is the evidence of this?

AFAIK all it will do with a stock turbo [which is what we are talking about] is run more efficiently [perhaps] than the stock ic...

INASNT said: "its the first thing people do for performance" and since we are talking about stock cars, how much performance does a big FMIC give?

Nearly every r33 gtst I see in places like chapel st [but certainly not limited to] have this mod - why? for looks, plain and simple. If they eventually get a bigger turbo and / or upgrade their exhaust/intake/boost/cams/etc that doesn't mean the FMIC actually gave any power - it just "helped" deliver it to the engine - either faster through less pressure drop or cooler through being more efficient.

How many other loonies are prepared to put their hand up with these guys and say that "a FMIC installed on a stock r33 gtst, running stock turbo & boost is going to give greater power"???

Now, installing a bigger FMIC along with other mods like a bigger turbo, much higher boost than stock etc, that is a different story [not what I am even talking about].

Amen.

[rockysilvia]

i am 17, i have my p's and could have done an equal or better crash in my NA R31... its not the car, it is the driver... fullstop.

my best friend is one of these drivers, and i refuse to travel in his car with him... he sure takes offence to this and thinks im a *****, but i know for a fact he would have the urge to show off and could come unstuck... therefore, i stick clear of him and his car

**edit: posting in my brothers account he is 23 not me: end edit**

[INASNT]

No, I am not.

I know what rice is - putting on a FMIC, including the usual: widening / opening up of the front bar, an aftermarket front bar for more exposure, spraying big jap brand logos etc are all for show.

Even without the extra bits that usually go with a FMIC install - how much power exactly does a bigger intercooler give to a stock car [33 gtst]? Where is the evidence of this?

AFAIK all it will do with a stock turbo [which is what we are talking about] is run more efficiently [perhaps] than the stock ic...

INASNT said: "its the first thing people do for performance" and since we are talking about stock cars, how much performance does a big FMIC give?

Nearly every r33 gtst I see in places like chapel st [but certainly not limited to] have this mod - why? for looks, plain and simple. If they eventually get a bigger turbo and / or upgrade their exhaust/intake/boost/cams/etc that doesn't mean the FMIC actually gave any power - it just "helped" deliver it to the engine - either faster through less pressure drop or cooler through being more efficient.

How many other loonies are prepared to put their hand up with these guys and say that "a FMIC installed on a stock r33 gtst, running stock turbo & boost is going to give greater power"???

Now, installing a bigger FMIC along with other mods like a bigger turbo, much higher boost than stock etc, that is a different story [not what I am even talking about].

Amen.

Evidence would be my car about 2 years ago,

Stock turbo and cooler with safc 155rwkw.

Stock turbo, fmic, safc 183rwkw.

The fact is that the stock cooler is a piece of shit and should be tossed in the bin.

If you get a fmic installed on ur car, then you would atleast get a bleeder which costs $90 to raise the boost from stock as it is so easy to install and use so you get the performance increase.

Y are we arguing?

I was enjoying GTTR34 getting a baging from everyone instead

[sven laptop]

No, GTTR34, you don't show any signs of unnecessary aggression, do you???

But you're right about one thing: "incidents like this certainly don't improve the image of import car drivers."

Unfortunately, neither do cases of those drivers calling each other "careless moron f*ckwits".

How about we wait and find out what REALLY happened before we start flinging blame at people who already have quite a bit to deal with at the moment?

That's my 2 cents worth.

Drive safely.

[NismoR34]

If you get a fmic installed on ur car, then you would atleast get a bleeder which costs $90 to raise the boost from stock as it is so easy to install and use so you get the performance increase.Y are we arguing?

we are not arguing, well im not anyway

increasing boost with a bleeder is what raised the power - I was talking about STOCK!

dont twist things, i know the stock 33 cooler is restrictive etc

my stock 34 ic does a great job with my mods [full 3inch turbo back exh, pod and 10-11psi]!

[INASNT]

but who is going to run stock boost when they have a fmic when a bleeded is so cheap and everyone knows how to increase their boost!!

Shh

GTTR34 should be replyin soon

[Roy]

How many other loonies are prepared to put their hand up with these guys and say that "a FMIC installed on a stock r33 gtst, running stock turbo & boost is going to give greater power"???

Now, installing a bigger FMIC along with other mods like a bigger turbo, much higher boost than stock etc, that is a different story [not what I am even talking about].

Stock intercooler on my R32 (R33 no different) had about 2psi pressure drop. How do i know, with the std cooler the car ran 11psi with my exhaust/filter mods. With my front mount it ran 13psi. So with a good exhaust/filter and intercooler you wont be running stock boost, even though you havent installed a boost controller or tried to cheat the wastegate..... Instant 2psi increase (power in itself) plus a cooler denser charge meaning more power again. So i must be a loony :werd:

[Downforce]

Shh

GTTR34 should be replyin soon

Just for you Denham....

[RGS]

Hate to say it - but I know what I was like in my 87 Pintara Wagon when I was 18 - I dont really like pondering certain outcomes if I had 200kw at the rear wheels at my disposal and a confidence to skill ratio way out of balance.....

P Plate Training is not the only solution - power to weight ratio surely has to be just as important ...

Tragic none the less.

[Glacius]

In all honesty i have no sympathy whatsoever for his actions because of the innocent lives at risk. Even if his mates were egging him on to drag that honda NA i still would've put my mates as a safety priority first and would've drived normally...don't know whether he was under pressure and said oh well it's either my mates who will die or i look like a fool for not racing the honda ( until proven).

Then my old man gave me a lecture and said to me ur car (r32 gts-t) was on the news about a crash and i''m like it's an r33 plus he was on his p's being stupid.

Can't even go to work without some1 mentioning my car, using it as a scape goat!

[NismoR34]

Stock intercooler on my R32 (R33 no different) had about 2psi pressure drop. How do i know, with the std cooler the car ran 11psi with my exhaust/filter mods. With my front mount it ran 13psi. So with a good exhaust/filter and intercooler you wont be running stock boost, even though you havent installed a boost controller or tried to cheat the wastegate..... Instant 2psi increase (power in itself) plus a cooler denser charge meaning more power again. So i must be a loony

This is the very last time I will bother replying to people in here [i will check back for other peoples responses for a laugh but dont bother asking me any q's].

Talk about out of context. Yes, air intake and exhaust mods can give you a natural boost increase... I already know this...

So you removed either an "NQR" or "under-spec'd for a modified car" stock ic and replaced it with a brand new stock item? Then you compared the results of that with the FMIC results? OR did you just go straight from an ic trying to work outside its efficiency zone [and probably blocked from dirt/bugs/rocks/dints/etc] to a big fmic? Either way your post is virtually useless to the coversation because in addition to the useless test you did, your before and after comparisons have exhaust and filter mods - I am talking about a fkn stock car NO MODS! OR, you didnt give me anywhere near enough info on your test? Which is it?

My main points were

1. Most people put on FMIC's for looks more than anything else [a lot of these ppl also have p-plates and advertise their mobile numbers for chicks to call them up and be fully sik together].

2. I am talking about FCUKING stock cars, how many times must I use the word "stock" before people realise? fcuk me.

:chop: :bs!: :hellpisd: :cuss: :looney: :chairshot:flamer:

[NickR33]

guys please drive really carefully when its wet... Its just not funny how hairy a Skyline can be in the wet...

even if you are a really skillful, experienced driver...of any age...driving a Skyline requires more concentration and maturity than driving a Toyota Corolla...and that is just a fact...

a run of the mill type of car is much more forgiving when you make a mistake... make a mistake in a Skyline and it will bend you over and reem you like there is no tomorrow...

PLEASE DRIVE CAREFULLY... nobody deserves to die for being young and stupid...

[Blade]

My main points were

1. Most people put on FMIC's for looks more than anything else [a lot of these ppl also have p-plates and advertise their mobile numbers for chicks to call them up and be fully sik together].

2. I am talking about FCUKING stock cars, how many times must I use the word "stock" before people realise? fcuk me.

u emphasise STOCK...how do you know if their stock? i mean do you know the modifications of all the stock skylines in victoria with fmic's hanging of the front? its also a pretty damn expensive rice addition compared to a simple pink neon hanging out the front lol

what do you class as stock? stock rims? stock ride height?

i dont understand your logic dude, fmic's are one expensive modification to just have as a visual rice addition to your car lol :angel: :innocent: