Whats up with vic roads?

[dineth]

After seeing the news and how the cops and vic roads will team up to "crack down on high powerd cars and P platers", i visited the vic roads web site to find that on paper, skylines are not written down as illigal cars for P platers.

Can someone please tell me why the vic roads website for illigal cars for P platers only have "skyline GTR" and 350Z as the only illigal cars? i mean surely even a non turbo R32 is over the 125kw legal limit? They do make a disclaimer at the end of each page sayign that " The list is not exhuastive" etc, but my question is why do they have Aston martin DB-7's and Ferrari 550's as illigal cars for p platers (ye no shit) but no silvias or gts-t's? surely common sense would come through here. How many P platers drive around in DB7's and how many drive around in Skylines and silvias and so on. What do you guys think about this?

The website could be seen here.

http://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/vrne/vrnint...nDocument&Area=[Learners+]

[Guest RedLineGTR]

arent wrx's meant to be illegal for p platers?? as well

[dineth]

arent wrx's meant to be illegal for p platers?? as well

ye they are on the list.

Subaru Impreza 2.0 4WD WRX G Sedan 155kw's.

which is even more weird why they dont have gts-t at around 180 kw's.

[sammus]

they list like every ferrari

r32+ weren't sold here... so they probably just added the GTR as they saw them emerging onto the roads... too lazy to research them and make appropriate changes? ...there are hundreds of cars not on that list.

damn i can't drive an Ultima GTR on Ps

[Guest RedLineGTR]

Personally I know that sometimes when cops pull you over can get you for driving a over powered vehicle and you would need a fully licensed driver to be able to drive your car home. But I know a lot of police that if you don’t give them shit, won't mention it at all and just to a routine check. Thats the only thing i worrie about when getting pulled over.

All i know if that i'm sure sooner or later thier lists will be updated as it passed through people through vic roads...all in time hopefully not anytime soon for my sake but some some drivers it would be wise implement them. My 2 Cents

[Guest RedLineGTR]

in simple terms you can kill yourself in any car is dosent have to be high powered though it increases the risks but any car is a death trap it all depends on the user/driver of the car.

[blackfink]

Here's the problem. Any imported cars that were never sold NEW in this country, don't show up in the system! That's why the R32 GTR and 350Z are in there, because limited numbers were/are sold here. It's a big flaw in the system... One of my old man's friends who works in vicroads has told me about it.. Techincally the cops can't tell you off because your R33 or whatever is not on the list, and therefore you can drive it because it doesn't say anywhere that you can't smiles all around.

There is no real way they can force you to obtain a power figure,

So behave and dont get pulled over is all i say. have fun.l

[Guest RedLineGTR]

blackfink thanks for the good info Cheers Rob

[Guest RedLineGTR]

About Vic roads I’m more concerned about the quality of the actual roads we drive on which give me the shits every time I hit a pot hole etc and worrie about breaking something to do with my suspension.

[dineth]

About Vic roads I’m more concerned about the quality of the actual roads we drive on which give me the shits every time I hit a pot hole etc and worrie about breaking something to do with my suspension.

ye tell me about it. some put holes around my area are like 20 cm's deep, no joke. they should really spend some of those millions of speeding fines they gete evry year on fixing the roads. There are so many dangerous spots as well. Like my mate for eg:, he lives in taylors lakes, and there is this road he has to croass (called roberts road for those of yous who are familiar with that area) they have to cross a freeway to get to the otherside, there is only a giveway sign and there have been about 7 fatal crashes there in the last 3 years. its such a joke.

[blind_elk]

But you are allowed to LEARN in one of these so-called "hi-powered" cars. The logic is that there's a fully licenced driver IN CHARGE of the vehicle. All well and good, but who's IN CONTROL of the vehicle. Classic case is that family killed up near Bendigo couple of months back, learning in a HSV Commodore.

Then, after you go for your test, assuming you pass, you're not allowed to drive the fn car home!!

[dineth]

aww ye i remember that. It just dont make any sense. You would ahve more control of any car on your P's then your L's. Imagine getting into a HSV GTS when u have never driven ANYTHING before? yet thats perfectly legal. I can understand that some houses may only have one car and the kids need their experince, but when u think about it, there is no sense in that at all.

[foznice]

dineath - the power restriction is 125kw per TONNE.. so if u have a 2 tonne car, and ur on your p's then your legally alowed to have 250kw's.... the r32gtst is just under by a bee's dick (.25 or somthein) but the 33 isn't. But because they are imports.... in certain places around police are educated (knox) and have been quite succesful in defect the crap out of import cars and throwing the full extent of the power/weight ratio at anybody who breaks it (wheather on or off the list)...

and the thing about HP cars on L's... driving on your L's is safer than your P's. Statistically L platers don't have many accidents at all especially when you compare it to P platers, even though P platers have more driving expieriece and better skills. I guess thats why L platers are still alowed to drive performance cars. But there are some exceptions, i've heard all different acounts of parents being total dickheads in teaching their kids to drive, this guy i know: his dad made him drive a car (on his L's) at 150km at nightime down a really windy road to see if he could 'take it'. 150k's might not seem that fast for a lot of you but to push a 16yr old with limited expierience way out of their comfort zone is asking for serious trouble.

[SKY031]

It's interesting what you find when you actually bother to read stuff......

From the VicRoads site (just above the .pdf file you mentioned)

The file attached below contains a guide to vehicles that are classed as high powered motor vehicles. The Guide only covers standard vehicles that have been made in Australia, or imported in bulk, since 1970. It does not include all high powered motor vehicles. If you are concerned that a model not included may be a high powered motor vehicle, then you may be able to get engine power and vehicle weight information from the manufacturer.

[SS8_Gohan]

"may be able to get engine power... blah blah"

i'm sorry, i wasn't able to get this information

Yep, as stated already. Hi-po cars are ONLY listed if they were sold locally via a manufacturer.

L Platers are the safest drivers on our roads.

I think this is a relatively easy fix. We all know that nothing magically happens when you get off your P's that means you can safely drive a hi-po vehicle. The easist way i see to fix this problem is still allow P platers to drive hi-po vehicles, providing they sit a COMPLETELY different test/s. Something along the lines of.

Stage 1: Normal everyday P plate test.

Stage 2: Defensive driving course

Stage 3: Advanced driving course (names arbritrary)

Stage 4: Performance driving course.

After the normal test, to pass the subsequent courses become INCREASINGLY difficult. Judge quite harshly.

Whether or not you'd have stage 3 i'm not sure. BUT i still think this is a good way to go. If you're a young driver and want to drive a hi-po car, by all means do it, BUT pay more money and complete a couple extra skill intensive and difficult to complete driving courses.

and that's my 2 cents

cheers.

[funkymonkey]

oi an R32 GTS makes 120kw at the fly (before any mods hehehe). Perfectly legal. So shush up and don't ruin it for me.

[foznice]

SS8_Gohan - yep couldn't agree with that more. People how don't wanna drive HP cars don't have to spend the extra $$ for the privilage. Im gonna do a defensive driving course before i get the 'line...

[SS8_Gohan]

i thought about doing one in my current 91 Pulsar hatch, but then i'll have a completely different car in a month or two? So i'm waiting till my R34 is ready, then i'll go do a couple of courses.

[The Jake]

Am I the only one that does not have a problem with P platers NOT driving a GTR?

- J.

[dineth]

Am I the only one that does not have a problem with P platers NOT driving a GTR?

- J.

mate, im a P plater, my first car was 33 gts-t and about to get off my P's, but even i would not jump into a GTR. I mean a GTR is a race car built for the track. In the hands of soemone who just got their p's or even anyone whos only had 2-3 years experince on the road, getting into a car that has that much power is a bit of a joke. Thats not to say that there are some sensible P platers, (i know many) but i also know a lot of hoons and even if they crash and die its ok as harsh as it may sound, but its when they start killing innocent people thats when a car like a GTR becomes a weapon on mass destrucion.

I think a Gts-t is fine in the hands of someone who has a good head on their shoulders on their P's (and i know a lot of you guys here will argue otherwise, htats cool)

but a GTR is crazy.