Bugatti Veyron - 736KW 4 Turbo 8.0L W16!!

[siksII]

its just a car, no need for being so defensive, if i have one other thing to say its that

its NOT a concept car!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

People do not pay deposits to buy concept cars, the veyron used to be a concept car before they decided to make it and take peoples money!!!

just because they decided to leave it in the concept section of the web page AS WELL AS in the models section doesnt mean its a concept, it just means their web page is stupid!

[PHATR32]

i read it a few mins ago on this web site that lists the specs of certain cars. ill try to find it again.

anyone got the crash vids?

steve

[SimonR32]

welcome to the 21st century batman... car has been around for ages, is a bucket of shit and probably will never make it into production. if it ever does make it into production the motoring jornos will slam it like they did to the f50 and it will become popular to knock the car.

the veyon is just a drag car... it wont handle for shit and looks even worse. so why not just make a drag car?

by the way **** all has come from f1, dont believe the hype. f1's have 3l v10's with no turbos and are rwd not a 8l w16 with quad turbos and awd! also f1's are light, this car is so heavy it makes a r33's look anorexic.

[PHATR32]

wow some one hates this car........

[siksII]

yeah i agree about the f1 comparison it may be F1 INSPIRED but it didnt work, unless maybe they are inspired by minardi

anyway

here is a link which summarises why the veyron is crap, sorry about ruining your vision of this dream car mate

when produced it will probably be limited to 218mph.. humiliatingly slow compared to their initial 252mph claim.

http://www.cbg.ie/printtemplates/news.asp?nID=406

Added 4 August 2004

It has been hyped more than any other car. It was due to be launched two months ago and be capable of hitting a record 252 mph. But now it seems the Volkswagen Group�s new supercar will be delayed until 2005 and could be coming with a new limited top speed of 218 mph.

Just what are the problems that have dogged the Bugatti Veyron 16.4 and why might it even be 2006 before it is among us: Richard Oakley reports.

As a D4 schoolgirl might say it�s like, oh my God, just soooooo embarrassing. You plan the world�s fastest production car. You put the drool-producing machine on public display at every motor show and you tell anyone who�ll listen just how good it is going to be when it becomes available in April 2004.

You boast about how it will be a 252 mph world-beater; better than anything Ferrari or Mercedes or BMW has ever done and faster than the legendary McLaren F1 or the Ferrari Enzo.

Then as the world waits with bated breath and those with $1.2m get their cheque books out you realise there are problems. Not just minor, niggly ones either, but real ones if all the reports are to be believed.

You deny there is anything wrong and you continue to do so; right up to the point where you can no longer hide the fact that your own deadline is not going to be met You then have to admit this to the world at a time when it emerges that the car�s top speed may be, ehm� limited to 218 mph. You also have to tell everyone that the car has yet to reach satisfactory standards.

This is the unfortunate situation VW-owned Bugatti has found itself in. The company has hyped the Veyron so much that its� continue failure to appear has made it a laughing stock. Despite the fact that Bugatti is building a car that should have everyone on bended knees offering thanks, it is getting nothing but bad press. Bugatti�s history as a maker of amazingly lavish, but spectacular failures is being dragged up as people question if VW has bitten off more than it can chew. Worse still there are suggestions in some parts that the Veyron is now tainted and will always be known as the supercar that �had problems� even it it lives up to its billing when we finally get it.

It shouldn�t be so. On paper this car is awesome. The figures tell you that. Two-seats, four wheel drive, a Formula-One inspired seven-speed sequential manual transmission. It has an 8.0-litre, W16, 64-valve powerplant with four turbochargers. It comes with an output of 1,001 bhp and 922lb-ft of torque at 2,200-5,500 rpm.

It whips from 0-62 mph in three seconds and goes through 200 mph, 11 seconds later. On paper it is also well conceived. Structurally it has a single-piece monocoque body with front and rear aluminium sub-frames. Fresh air is ducted through grilles ahead of the rear wheels and on either side of the roof. At high speeds a rear spoiler is deployed to create extra downforce. This also acts as an air brake during an emergency stop.

There is no escaping the problems, however, and the Veyron has had a few. They started last year with claims that the car�s engineers were, not unsurprisingly, having difficulty efficiently dispersing the immense heat generated by the turbo-charge cylinders. The answer would be to cut holes in the bodywork of the car, but when it�s a designer product you just can�t do that. It�s not a racing car after all.

Next it was alleged that test drivers pushing the Veyron close to its 252 mph limit found that it began lifting and that the steering was vague at high speeds. Bernd Pischetsrieder, the chairman of VW, tested the Veyron last summer and was reported to be concerned about the handling.

There were publicity disasters too for VW and personnel changes increased suspicions that all was not well. A mule version of the car crashed at over 200 mph during testing and then there came the now famous incident at the first public demonstration of the car last August. The Veyron was wheeled out at an event celebrating Bugattis at the Leguna Race Track in California. A test driver got a little excited. The car swerved off the track and ended up in a gravel trap, just missing a concrete wall.

There were also reports that Karl Heinz Neumann, the boss of Bugatti, had been let go. They were denied, but he retired by the end of last year. Now it seems all the above problems, which were also denied remember, have been resolved, but it�s now known they have played a part in delaying the car and knocked Bugatti�s confidence back a bit.

As the car�s release deadline, April 2004, arrived and passed there was more bad news. Sources close to the company told AutoWeek that Thomas Bscher, Bugatti�s new boss had made changes, one of which was a decision to limit the car�s top speed to 218mph. The story, if true, suggests the rumours about stability problems at high speeds could have been close to the mark.

Bugatti had to comment publicly about the delays and did, only to confirm that they could be longer than we thought. Citing �demanding quality standards� imposed on the car by parent company VW, officials confirmed that the first example of the car is not scheduled to roll from its assembly line in France until the second half of 2005. Newspapers reported informed sources as saying that it could, in fact, be 2006, and late 2006 at that, before the car is ready.

Even if this new deadline is met a lot of damage has been done to the Veyron. Articles have appeared with panels referring to �other� white elephant cars such as the Renault Avantime and the Jaguar XJ 220. It hasn�t helped that orders for the car are believed to be far below expectation. Just 300 will be made and it is believed at this stage that only about 25 have been ordered.

If anything can improve this situation and make people forget its eventful development, however, it is the car itself. Despite the reported decision to limit the speed of full -production versions of the cars, Bugatti are to try for a world record for production cars later this year by pushing the Veyron to 252 mph. If it manages this, you can expect a flurry of orders, much triumphalism from Bugatti, and that photo of the Veyron in the gravel trap to be printed small beside a big one of the car smashing its way above 250 mph.

Where did the Veyron come from?

Ferdinand Piech, the former head of VW, was the man who rubber-stamped the Veyron project. More than one commentator had referred to Piech as an egotist and it was well known that he wanted the VW group to have one up on BMW and Mercedes when he was in charge. VW had bought Bugatti in 1998 and the Veyron, planned as the world�s fastest production car ever, provided the opportunity. When it is launched its 1001 bhp power output will far exceed that of any comparable car.

[SimonR32]

lets talk about the engine, body, transmission, price, speed, power... not that its suspension still needs development (hence its still concept) or its release date has been moved because none of us have the funds to buy one anyway.

AND

ok well i was trying to start an optimistic discussion about an insanely technologically advanced car, obviously that didnt work

what so insanely techologically advanced? vw have made w12's before, its not that hard u just weld 2 v6's together, the body looks shit, bmw have 7spd sequential manuals in there new m5 that is now in production, speed is just stupid cause noone will ever drive that fast and the power is nothing special, CCR's have 800hp from a 4.7l v8 stock, thats almost half the capacity.

the only thing that is insane is the price... id take a CCR or a Zonda over one anyday and they r only half the price, actually id take one of both please.

[SimonR32]

also do u know what a z rating on a tyres means?

[drakan69]

does it mean that the tyres will cost a rather large fortune too?

hahahaha

[knore]

well that sucks then :confused:

but it is still coming out yes? that means we wont truely know what its capable till then. Surely something with a 8.8 1/4 (unconfirmed) and 400km/h ability straight off the floor is nothing to scoff at.

i didnt even know anything about bugatti until i stumbled onto this, so sorry for those who already know, i just though it mite be a valuable learning discussion talking about some of the technology in this car.

i like any company who sits down and says 'right, lets design the fastest, most powerful car in the world' even if it takes them along time to do it

cerbera: So your saying this car hasnt taken engine/mechanical technology to another level?

What other car has everything this car has? yeh bmw might have a similar transmission, and VW mite have made a similar engine, but thats 1/100th of the feat bugatti will achieve if they finish this car properly.

[strutto]

vw have made w12's before, its not that hard u just weld 2 v6's together

As I have said before on here in another long, lost thread... I don't think it's quite as simple as "welding" 2 x v6's together

Nice car IMO to knore... Modification potential to the max... Not 100% convinced about reliability when modded though :S

But yeah, they have been talking about this for a LONG time now...

Give me a Koenigsegg any day...

[knore]

yeh its obviously got a big cloud of doubt hanging over it at the moment, which hopefully doesnt affect the people still designing it because it has the potential to be the best car money can buy

if this car ever came to australia there would be one more professional car theif in training

[CerealKiller]

it sucks. It's ugly both inside and out. As an engineering feature it's VERY impressive but as a "Supercar" I don't rate it.

Supercars should have performance as well as looks.

[knore]

yes i beleive bugatti/vw would have had this expressed to them by alot of people, that could be another reason its not released

[SimonR32]

listen you know little about cars and even less about supercars...

your trying to argue with people that know a lot more than you so maybe you should listen and try learn something.

1001hp isnt actually that special, its just that noone has bothered to make a car with that much power beacuse its not practical for road/tyre use at the present time. the max street tyre speed rating is Z which is only 240km/hr (150mph) and staying over that for any decent amont of time will cause the tyre to fail. there is no feat in putting a large engine into a car designed to go in a straight line... its just a american muscle car using different technology

[geno8r]

That thing is f&%#ing amazing.... I dont know how anyone could speak sh#t about it... if you're to criticise, you better a have a better solution 'and i doubt anyone is going to better a team of engineers'.

You can make 1001 ps in difference ways right, huge turbos, NOS, w16's, whatever, that car is dam impressive. *that EB logo is the ugliest logo i've ever seen tho*

[dineth]

i dont know why u would wanna buy this car, seriously, I mean you could buy 3 x 911 Turbo's for that price, In my book the 911 turbo is simply the best car going around. whats the point of having 1000+ HP if you cant use it properly.

By the way does anyone else agree with me when i say the 911 turbo is the best 'sports' car in the world?

Dont mean to higjack the thread or anything,

But here are some 911 figures:

Twin Turbo Opposed 6-Cylinder 3.6ltr

DOHC 4 valves / cyl

3600 cc / 219.7 cu in

power 331 kw / 420 bhp @ 5700 rpm (turbo S)

torque 620.0 nm / 413.0 ft lbs @ 4600 rpm (turbo s)

HP/liter 115.28 bhp per litre

0-100 = 4 secs

1/4 mile = 11.9

Now i havnt had the pleasure of ever driving one of these dream machines, but

but i have heard that the most impressive part of a 911 turbo is not its acceleration but its stopping power. Apperntly it goes from 0 - 100 back to 0 again in just over 6 secs. i dont think it will be a bad day to day car either.

Other things i thought that was pretty interesting:

* a maximum boost preassure of 0.8 bar is available at around 2700RPM!!!

* reccomended engine oil change every 12,000 miles!

* when do u change coolant? NEVER!

* porsche claims that the braking system is 4 times more powerful than the engine.

[4doorfun]

this is very entertianing.keep up the good work fellas

[Dim1]

i dunno if anyone above noticed but welding 2 v6's together gives u a w12 not a w16 which this car has :|

[Abo Bob]

More likely only a V12.

I think if you welded 2 RB26's end to end and 3 Sti boxer engines on top you would have the well known T24 engine configuration and if you coupled this with 'multivalve technology' and 'independant front suspension' with perhaps a dash of 'cloth seats' you would have a supercar to beat the world.

[SimonR32]

vw have made w12's before, its not that hard u just weld 2 v6's together

i dunno if anyone above noticed but welding 2 v6's together gives u a w12 not a w16 which this car has :|

yes but vw dont make w16's... i was saying a w-configuration engine has been made before, to make a w16 u just weld 2 v8's. not that hard to understand really

dineth

If you think a 911 turbo is the best car in the world have a look what a Porsche 996 GT2 or GT3 are like, they are much better.

but still the whole 911 series is a compromised car. with the engine sitting behind the back wheels it give the car a pendulum effect which makes the car very unpredictable at the limit. there are a lot better cars out there.

if u like porsches have a look at the new carrera gt, its a lot better than a 911