you know this cant be good

[doxximus]

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/10/...l?oneclick=true

and that crash happened right next to my mates house

(the edgars road thing i mean)

and who said northern suburbs were boring eh?

[Ronin 09]

good thing i'm an old bastard.

[Mr. Oizo]

Can't you just copy/paste ... registering is annoying.

[Ronin 09]

Can't you just copy/paste ... registering is annoying.

Victoria Police could soon have the power to confiscate young drivers' cars under tough new laws being considered by the State Government.

Police Minister Andre Haermeyer said a proposal for new "anti-hooning legislation" would soon be referred to the Government's Ministerial Road Safety Council for consideration.

The Police Minister, Transport Minister and Attorney-General have discussed the idea and weighed up the value of the proposed law, as a powerful deterrant to erratic driving behaviour, against civil liberty concerns.

Mr Haermeyer said he would discuss the success of anti-hooning laws operating in other states with fellow police ministers at next month's Australasian Police Ministers' Council. In addition, Mr Haermeyer has already asked his department to examine what impact the laws were having in other states.

The Police Minister said a decision on new laws could be made in coming months. While anti-hooning laws adopted in states including Tasmania, Western Australia, Queensland and NSW vary, seizure of an offender's car is a common punishment

In NSW, more than 2000 cars have been confiscated under the state's Traffic Amendment (Street and Illegal Drag Racing) Act 1996, while in Queensland police have already confiscated more than 1400 cars since its anti-hooning laws were introduced two years ago.

In Tasmania, where the new laws came into effect two weeks ago, three cars have already been seized, and in Western Australia a teenage driver's car was reportedly confiscated less than two hours after similar laws came into effect there last month.

The state laws all target hoon driving behaviour and cover offences such as excess noise, illegal street racing, refusal to leave a public place, exhibitions of acceleration and burn-outs.

Under Tasmania's new laws, a car can be impounded for 48 hours for a first offence, three months for a second, and indefinitely for a third.

Mr Haermeyer said he "absolutely supported a review of Victoria's current laws" concerning hoon-style driving by mostly young and inexperienced motorists.

The move to strengthen Victoria's driving laws follows the death of two young men a fortnight ago when the car in which they were passengers smashed into a pole on Dandenong Road in St Kilda.

The driver of the vehicle has been charged with two counts of culpable driving and police described where the men were killed as having a "history over the years of cars using this sector of road for racing".

"The hoons have the most serious attitudinal problem of the lot, because it is not just a case of occasional speeding," Mr Haermeyer said.

"They have an attitude to driving that is utterly reckless. Their whole driving behaviour is very dangerous and they often see their cars as an extension of their libidos. It is nearly always young males."

Police in Melbourne's northern suburbs said mobile phone SMS technology and new roads such as the Western Ring Road, had led to a surge in illegal drag-

racing and street burn-outs. Young drivers from across Melbourne were now able to gather for a burn-out session within 20 minutes of receiving a text message.

On Thursday night, members of Victoria Police's region three traffic task unit, based at Epping, blitzed the northern suburbs of Melbourne for "hoon" drivers.

Dozens of cars packed with teenagers were seen scouting vacant industrial areas for spots to drag race and do burn-outs. Erratic and dangerous driving are all too common in the area, and Thursday night was no exception.

Just before midnight, a 20-year-old Epping man failed to pull over for a random licence check. Instead, he fled from police up Edgars Road in Lalor, a 70 km/h zone, at speeds approaching 140 km/h, crashing moments later through the front brick fence of a Lalor house.

Sergeant George Zamola, of the traffic task unit, said the man had been charged on summons with driving while his licence was suspended, drink driving and for driving in a dangerous manner, among other offences.

Only blocks away, in November, a P-plater travelling at 140 km/h in a 60 km/h zone, smashed his high-powered Mazda RX-7 coupe into an oncoming car.

A Country Court Judge sentenced the man on Friday to 14 months' detention in a youth training centre.

"Nobody has any tolerance for people who drive cars in a reckless manner and put lives at risk," the Police Minister said. That is why he was interested in examining tough new anti-hoon legislation.

"On the face of it, I can see the attraction of the proposition," he said.

Mr Haermeyer said road law reform in this area was an issue that he was "very serious about", but there was no "signed, sealed and delivered" decision supporting new laws.

"There need to be some evaluations done of not just the benefits but also any unintended consequences," he said.

For those drivers who owned their cars, the new laws could act as a big deterrent, he said, but it was not so much of a deterrent if it was not their car.

"There is no single panacea that will solve these issues, I think a whole lot of policy responses need to come together to change that behaviour," Mr Haermeyer said.

One initiative will be the opening of a "dob in a hoon" telephone hotline in the City of Brimbank.

The hotline is expected to open in mid-November

[R31Nismoid]

fark me dead.

might need to sit down with a lot of different club reps from various Vic clubs to try and stop this kinda crap coming in.

I know in WA & Tazzie its causing the guys a hella-pain with coppers going way over the limits and havig a big case of power abuse

what particularly gets me

exhibitions of acceleration

So they can get you for accelerating fast to the speed limit? What a load of sh|t

Why do holden make a 300kw car then? to nana-foot it to 100km/h?

[martydaman]

yea i read this in the age this morning... that dob-a-hoon thing is so bullshit. I can ring up and dob you guys in without any proof and you guys end up getting an EPA or someshit , that not right :confused:

[sammus]

the acceleration rules have been around for a while. i believe it's up to teh cop's best judgement of what is reasonable acceleration, so it's not like a speed limit where you're either speeding or not.

[R31Nismoid]

well again, i say, if its reasonable... why would you need a 300kw monaro from holden?

or mid 200's from ford? that would be unreasonable

[xRHETTx]

yea i read this in the age this morning... that dob-a-hoon thing is so bullshit. I can ring up and dob you guys in without any proof and you guys end up getting an EPA or someshit , that not right :confused:

Yeah i love ringing up and dobbing in old grandma's that drive to slow - bloody hoons!

I considered ringing up the other day because i saw a guy in a ford with custom plates through about 3 bags of macca's out the window at the traffic lights, but i settled with just calling him bad names.

[inark]

car can be taken for noise??? thats the ***in dumbest thing ive ever heard... and like ash has already pointed out what determines "acceleration"?

a porsche GT3 can accelerate to 100 in like 3 seconds or some shit... as long as its on a road where u can do 100 what is the problem?

[SS8_Gohan]

what a great time to pick to start driving an Japanese import

altho, i really don't have to worry about this 'impound' rule cos i wouldn't BE STUPID ENOUGH TO GO MEET UP WITH A GROUP OF F*CKWITS DOING BURNOUTS IN AN INTERSECTION BECAUSE THEY GOT A "FUL SIK" SMS TO DO SO

tossers.

[martydaman]

wtf is excess acceleration?? is there a special tool that cops use to measure it??

some things in this world are so stupid it makes me wonder...

[inark]

dum thing is it doesnt even say excess... aparently now u cant accelerate at all

[R31Nismoid]

also

refusal to leave a public place

we cant have a meet in a car-park safely.

copper comes along... new powers are in place and he then decides to be a c0ck about it (which i wouldnt be slightly surprised at)

And we cant have a meet? In a public place? We are public are we not?

some stern opposition will come out if this ever gets more mention

[NismoR34]

and like ash has already pointed out what determines "acceleration"?

a porsche GT3 can accelerate to 100 in like 3 seconds or some shit... as long as its on a road where u can do 100 what is the problem?

Dont exaggerate too quickly nark - you will cop a fine

Acceleration 0-100Km/h ~ 4.1 secs - 996 MY04 Coupe GT2 2dr Man 6sp 3.6TT

Acceleration 0-100Km/h ~ 4.4 secs - 996 MY04 Coupe GT3 RS 2dr Man 6sp 3.6i (May onwards)

[JET-RB]

obviously this will effect every motoring enthusiasts. Besides imports, if this legislation comes into effect I think the local performance vehicle manufacturarors such as holden and ford will suffer as a result of this, I can see them putting their hands up saying hey hey hey, weather they have a say in this or not. But there is no doubt they'll have big downfall in sales...

[romaniac]

Dont exaggerate too quickly nark - you will cop a fine

 

Acceleration 0-100Km/h ~ 4.1 secs - 996 MY04 Coupe GT2 2dr Man 6sp 3.6TT

Acceleration 0-100Km/h ~ 4.4 secs - 996 MY04 Coupe GT3 RS 2dr Man 6sp 3.6i (May onwards)

Acceleration 0-100Km/h ~ 0.1 secs - R33 GTR LEEWAH

[6pistons]

fark me dead.

might need to sit down with a lot of different club reps from various Vic clubs to try and stop this kinda crap coming in.

I know in WA & Tazzie its causing the guys a hella-pain with coppers going way over the limits and havig a big case of power abuse

what particularly gets me  

So they can get you for accelerating fast to the speed limit? What a load of sh|t

Why do holden make a 300kw car then? to nana-foot it to 100km/h?

Yeap, I hope the diff official car club reps would be able to come together to discuss the "proposals" together with the governing body to ensure that the legislation is not going to be overboard.... it is kinda of scary (and stupid) that one has to think of how much to accelerate from stationary....!!!!

Btw, maybe holden should become a role model - by making bicycles instead of cars....

:jester:

[doxximus]

speak abuot it tonight at the meeting i think

[West]

Well guys, the best way is to have a Lawyer bussines card in your wallet just in case. Best is to have ones that belong to those who cops would call traitors.

What i meant by traitors is experience cops, those who had been in the force for so long then quit and become lawyer. Not normal lawyer but those who only take cases that complain or sue against the cops. Cops really hate and afraid of these guys.

But after all, we shouldn't even need to dicuss about these issue if it wasn't some ****wit reall HOONs out there that give us bad names. I enjoy my skyline and i'm sure you all do. The powers, the torque, cruising around...ect..the too rear lights ofcourse, the luxury ( love my climate control )......shits that domestic cars can't not offer us.