GT Wing

[Roy]

LOL...looks liek someone is going to start trying with downforce and aerodynamic aids...has your car got the carbon undertrays...id be looking at those before a wing. If you seriously want a V8 Supercar wing i can get one at a good price for you.

Say good bye to your boot though...the hole you would have to drill, and without gusseting its possible the downforce will dent your bootlid:)

[Duncan]

hmm if you are after actual downforce I'm pretty sure you are starting at the wrong end.

Surely it is more front end grip you would be looking for.....reduce understeer in medium-high speed corners....putting a wing on the back might cause downforce at the back but it will result in the front lifting, making understeer even worse

Maybe a long, flat splitter and engine undertray would be a better idea

Or are you just trying to rice it up?

[Roy]

...Im with ya Duncan, but if his car is a V-Spec then it may have carbon undertrays...

[Sai]

[Duncan]

what lovely tyres

Roy I thought the undertray was rear only? and they are a much better idea than a wing, far more effective

[Roy]

what lovely tyres

Roy I thought the undertray was rear only? and they are a much better idea than a wing, far more effective

Snowman is truly a cheater, if its a V-Spec look what it comes with std

FRONT

REAR

An interesting read for R34 cheaters... http://www.autospeed.com/cms/A_460/article.html

[Snowman]

Yeah my car is SUPPOSED to have undertrays - but they'd all been smashed off (or sold off) before I got the car. And the cost of replacing them is hideous.

They are only supposed to be benificial for really high speed corners - so might be helpfull around Phillip Island.

[ferni]

I'm guessing he's looking for this stuff on advice from Ben@racepace..... who probably knows more than all of us here...

Maybe do what Ben does, change your whole boot lid when you race...

[Snowman]

No I'm not doing it on the advise of Ben.

I'm not doing it on the advice of Ice.

I'm not doing it on the advice of ANYONE.

I'm doing it simply to annoy Scotsman. Gotta stay one step ahead of the competition.

[Bass Junky]

I tried last night to get mine off, but lost a bolt in the process.

Didn't have enough light to get it off in time, but I can tell you that there are two bolts which go through the boot.

I spoke with Ground Run last night though and he got Canaried for the exposed steel as a pedestrian hazard....

Can anybody confirm that this is non RWC??

[adznight]

Hahaha, been there done that. I have a bolt floating round in my boot lid too. If you want a wing you can borrow mine, It'll be taken of pretty soon.

I can only see exposed steet being an issue when it's protruding from the edge of the cars, they are pretty tight when it comes to things like wings sticking out further that the gaurds but I can't see it being an issue otherwise. Meh, anodise them black

[Roy]

I dont kow for a fact, but id be wary of fiddling too much with aerodynamics. Hate to get to Phillip Island and realsie that the car isnt as balanced as before and you lose 5km/h down the straights because of drag.

So i reckon its a great idea, but be prepared to take a backwards step before going forwards thats all.

It will look tought though:thumbsup:

[adznight]

Originally Bass and I were just talking about some replacement wing mounts like these which are nismo mounts but for $800+ they were a bit out of reach for us.

[Duncan]

...I'm doing it simply to annoy Scotsman. Gotta stay one step ahead of the competition.

:bahaha:

yeah I saw the replacement prices for those! I could buy a lovely R32 GTR for the same price...and fit it out for racing

[GTRgeoff]

Snowie, I'd be cautious of relocating the wing without understanding the flow characteristics over the cabin area. It isn't as simple as just lifting it, the angle has to be adjusted as well as the semi-attached flow over the the car comes down onto the wing at a pretty extreme angle. Just lookihg at the standard one shows that the leading section would cause almost zero downforce in an undisturbed airflow. This would leave most of the work to the upper adjustable winglet. I'd suspect that most of the aftermarket mounts would change the angle of attack to compensate. While I know a lot about aerodynamics, I have a friend who is Fords top aerodynamicist so if you get me a lot of good pics I can ask her to take a look and help me with an adjustment angle. Getting the mounts machined then won't cost too much and I can suggest some stiffening solutions so the bootlid doesn't crumple.

I'd also recommend getting those undetrays, maybe in fiberglass.

[Snowman]

Yeah I knew that the angle had to be increase. Again one of the reasons I wanted to buy a GT Wing and use the uprights rather than make something is I'm expecting that the pre-made GT-Wings already have the ideal angles for their given heights considered.

But yeah you will notice all of the replacement taller uprights for the stock R34 wing also increase the angle from what you have already stated - flat. Around Phillip Island my car felt pretty good - but around Sandown my car is a lot more taily. Understeer isn't really an issue for me. I'm hoping these new suspension adjustment with help a lot but I can't help but think a little extra rear down force wouldn't be benificial.

BTW - Geoff - you got your new wing on yet?

[Downforce]

Originally Bass and I were just talking about some replacement wing mounts like these which are nismo mounts but for $800+ they were a bit out of reach for us.

Adz, that red R34 wing looks nutz!! I love it.. maybe bass junky can make some vertical mounts like the ones in the pic??

[adznight]

Yeah thats what I hope to work on with him. I have some detailed pic of it coming. Here's the e-mail I got from greenline!

Hi Adam,

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Pricing is roughly correct.

Pricing information as requested:

NISMO Rear Wing Stay Set 96030-RNR40: 60,060 yen

Shipping: 4,100 yen

TOTAL: 64,160 yen AU$834

[GTRgeoff]

BTW - Geoff - you got your new wing on yet?

It's on, went for a spin today and found I'm holding one particular corner 15kmh faster than before (wing at max AoA) but it sure sucks the power. I even slapped some ally over the gaping scorch mark but it's a bit rough. I'll start with the wing flat sunday and then increase it to compare times/speeds.

If you can decide the height you want we can nut out the AoA for that height (maybe even plage one of the tuners settings) then I know some places that do NC machining and the cost shouldn't be too high to get the mounts cut.

[Bass Junky]

That's the plan Matt.