AE86 discussion

[funkymonkey]

as I said in the other thread chris...

$500 for just the engine... no gearbox, no ecu, no wiring loom... reckon its worth it?

I know how to remap the ECU on the CA18 ECU, which is a bonus, so I can tune the car myself, just need to hire some dyno time off someone. parts for the ca18 turned out to be even cheaper than the 4agze... and more readily available... my favourite wrecker has 3 he dosen't even know how to get rid of.

If its a simple swap that I can do at home (or at skylinegeoff's place ) then I'll do it. I need a list of parts I need and some hints n tips.

Also do you have a service manual for the local sprinter?

[Craved]

let me think of what you'll need........

engine will fit with modified engine mounts onto std front crossmember, can duplicate the engine mounts we have if you need,

G/box fits with modified mount, plus you will have to modify the position of the gear lever hole and the handbrake approx 100mm. this is so the centre console will fit correctly with out looking dodgy or needing any cutting!

the diff will wanna be replaced, simple 4 link but with a 7.5" diff with a custom tailshaft to match the length and changed g/box -- at least 250mm longer /further back from std.

big issue is the std fuel tank with these engines.. they dont like to be lean and the std tank surges an amazing amount.. my mate has gone through 3 pumps already, 1 after installing a surge tank! (the feeder pump shat itself from surging, but protected the engine)

another issue with the tail shafts is that most will be bigger than std, and the wizards at toyota for some reason ran the fuel line up one side of the tunnel over to the other and back again, this can cause rubbing on the lines by the G/box and they meet at a bad spot.. about 5mm clearence then we got engine torque playing with it! .. so these need to be moved out a bit!!!!

the radiator is sufficient if only a small amount of track work, gonna do big sessions and drift .. you want a better radiator -- the ones for VN commodores with custom tanks will fit on slight slant!!

then your front mount goes in, and oil cooler etc... piping can be done a few ways... we are in the process of recreating the piping so i can show you pics once it is done... will be easier than explaining over here! looks the goods ( with custom inlet plenum)

need a electric fan for radiator, original will not fit, no major structural changed needed really!

any questions? i havent ever posted this much in one go ever lol

i probably forgot things so ask me questions and i'll remember it!!!!

Chirs

[funkymonkey]

so far it sounds a lot easier than my plans for a 4agze engine with a 7afe bottom to make a 1.8L.

will have a stab at it definitely. i'll be putting in a bee-r rev limiter as well after hearing about the nuber of times your ca shat itself at constant high rpms

[Duncan]

Hey Chris what times does the red ae86 do around wakefield? On dunlop formula r right?

[Roy]

Buckets of bolts...all of them.

When AE86s were putting around the local Touring Car scene DR30s with Farmer Fury/Seto were scaring the establishment, didnt they even come in 2nd & 3rd one year atr Bathurst:)

Nah...I suppose they are ok, but i dont see what all the fuss is about, perhaps because i dont really like the styling of them:( Not when DR30s look so tough:thumsbup:

[funkymonkey]

oh yeah, chris, if you want some habib prices on CA18DET manifolds (lowmount and top mount) let me know... there's a guy in the US who's keen on supplying us with a set of stainless steel mandrel bent ones.

[funkymonkey]

roy... its just a lot cheaper and easier to race an AE86... I'm taking baby steps into the world of Wang... and I don't wanna use my R32... i'd rather thrash a $650 AE86, which is still fun to drive, esp if I put a ca18 in it.

besides, all the old datsun boys love the ca18s in their cars... i'm just doin what they'd do

[Roy]

roy... its just a lot cheaper and easier to race an AE86... I'm taking baby steps into the world of Wang... and I don't wanna use my R32... i'd rather thrash a $650 AE86, which is still fun to drive, esp if I put a ca18 in it.

besides, all the old datsun boys love the ca18s in their cars... i'm just doin what they'd do

Yeh no doubt hey can be good things:thumbsup:

They are better then a Scorpion:)

[AzzurrA]

when i can afford to build a track car (read: when i've paid off the 'line) i'll most probably build up an AE86 as a track car... I used to own one, and i got bitten by the bug... it was just soooooooo much fun to drive

(Had 4age and Suspension mods)

[Craved]

come back from lunch to an uproar LOL

ummm Duncan .. the Red one never ran semi slicks, just crappy street tyres .. he's a bit cheap that way LOL he got to 1:16:2 i think.. but that will be improved with the addition of adj. swaybars, lower and stiffer shocks, and an extra 3inches or so extra track at the tront with some nice camber angles.. has some push understeer issues atm

$500 is cheaper than we have got them, depends on what you gonna spend on the wiring, g/box and support systems.. they go hard at stock power and can have oil issues.. but if kept and suitable levels and dont go flat stick for 5-10mins in top gear.. you should be ok!!!

Habib prices ??? hmm PM me a price and i'll suggest it!

oh and we are putting an S15 turbo on this one aswell!

yeah it's not hard, but a litle time consuming! we can create the mounts for you easy so you can get em and know the engine will just bolt in!!

[Duncan]

well if I was building a cheapy track car these days a s13 or even better r32 gtst would be a much better starting point.

AE86 up to say $2k + how much for one of those 4AGE?

S13 or r32 you could get race only for abouit $5-7k

[funkymonkey]

4age costs about $1000 with loom and ecu

4agze about $1600

4afe bottom for a 1.8L conversion $500

realising that you can just put a CA18DET and get a lot more power... priceless.

[funkymonkey]

woohoo, just won a yahoo japan auction for a rollcage for the AE86... a grand 10,000 Yen FAI approved too... should cost me around $200 landed in au.

[Duncan]

rofl FAI approved didn't HIH buy them out then go broke?

or did you mean FIA? sounds like a good cage but it won't be CAMS legal for Aus without an inspection and approval, there are a list of homologated designs available

[fatz]

yea you will be very lucky if an engineer will sign that off is aus

[Kaido_RR]

mate pay $3400 for aus-spec ae86, with Big-port 4age.

saying that he was quote about $500-600 for a 4age engine.

i would say that compare to a ca18 or sr20 it revs just nicer (7700 is wat my mates limiter was set at stock )

[funkymonkey]

actually just checked the ADR's for Victoria I dont need an engineer to sign it off... as long as the roll cage is desgned in a specific way, it can be fitted to the car with no engineering required. Good news is this one does.

[Craved]

hmmm Duncan.... thats why i gave the lancer thing up.. dont have the cash so if i do something it will be a R32 gtst track only car cant wait !!!!!

[funkymonkey]

Euncan, are you baggin out my slexdixa?

[Duncan]

lol careful you don't buy an AE68 then Itsuki