F6 Typhoon

[inark]

prefer the tornado or whatever its called for some reason i prefer utes... i think its the whole 2 dr thing lol

[FINER6]

I love a 2 door us much as anyone does, but I needed a bigger 4 door, which rules out the only other 2 cars I would have considered, GTR or Supra.

Autech, what is so backward about a Ford F6 Typhoon? The engine is up there amongst the most advanced in the mass produced market. The Suspension is award winning. The car is heavy compaired to a skyilne but it is much bigger and has 2 extra doors. Even after all that, FPV have managed to engineer a quite respected trackable feel from the chasis that promotes very little understeer.

inark, I love the Tornado but for the life of me cannot understand why they are heavier and therfore slower than the sedans??? which is the case with all the utes in the entire BA range.

[PHATR32]

10 to 3? ouch!!

steve

[Mish]

10 to 3? ouch!!

steve

What do you mean by 10 to 3?

[wados]

have you driven one? because i think you would be suprised yeah sure they are heavy but trust me they dont feel like it (well in the utes they dont and they are heavier)as ive said my next car will be an f6 more then likely and for 51,000 for the ute im preety happy with everything you get.

[franks]

I used to own an R33 GTS-T which was an awesome car, but I have more fun in my turbo Audi A4 (Quattro) which is a sedan.

maybe in the backseat you would

you obviously weren't driving your skyline hard enough buddy!

Personally I don't like the F6 because as someone else said it's still just a big, heavy family car that happens to have a 270kW engine. Sure, it's relatively quick in a straight line but even so, not that quick, considering the sheer number of kilowatts it has due to the sheer bulk of the thing.

The F6 is a GT (Grand Touring) car, NOT a sports car. hence, you're comparing a sports car with a family sports sedan. For what it is, it does well. for eg. i'd prefer to cruise down (with cruise control) to the snow in a soft (yet re-affirming) ride of an F6 to that of a cramped up skyline with 15 year old sluggish suspension or set of tein flex coil overs which hurt my kidneys everytime i go over a bump- do you see my point?

I acknowledge Ford's efforts in moving away from the V8 'performance" car mentality, something Holden needs to look at. But I think, and no disrespect intended, that Holden fans are mostly V8 diehards with an ignorance of technology, twin cams and turbochargers.

Ford is looking at market share - its as simple as that. They (Ford) acknowledge that the V8 market is taken. Holden has it, no questions, but who has the 6 cylinder performance market? the Mitsubishi Magna with Evo6.5 body kit??? a Toyota Camry??? I dont think Holden need to look at anything - they have moved from 5.0 litre cast iron block V8's to Gen 3 alloy heads to LS1 and now to LS2. They are progressing fine...i wouldn't call that an ignorance to technology id say thats you stereotyping more than anything....

It's strange how in times like these when petrol is getting more expensive each day that Holden can bring out a new "SS" with naff guard vents promoting its 245kW 5.7 litre motor with a prodgious thirst coupled with a big heavy car and still manage to sell heaps of them. Well it seems like heaps because all I see driving around is VX/Y/Z SS Commodores driven by middle aged women and guys who think they are racecar drivers and own the road. But I suppose in my bogan town nothing impressess the neighbours more than a shiny new VZ SS in the driveway.

You don't buy a performance car to skimp on petrol buddy. You may aswell buy a Honda City. That said, i only averaged 13l/100km and thats when my R34 GTT had close to 190rwkw with a tuned PowerFC. Hrmmm, have you asked any GTR owners how their car's thirst for petrol is???? Big and Heavy reads comfortable and practical - again, back to my first refute, you are trying to compare two totally different cars with different purposes.

The second reason I dislike the F6 is that for the money you pay for it you are still getting an inferior quality car. I won't even go into the list of things wrong with NEW cars bought by family/friends from Holden and Ford. It's disgusting. I'm not saying Japanese cars are without their problems but I haven't experienced the same number of squeaks, rattles and loose trim etc in a 1993 R33 compaed to a 2001 WH Statesmen with a bung GENIII.

To me if you want a performance car and are serious about driving and not just using it as a status symbol to impress your friends, neighbours, whatever you can buy a far superior car for less money in the form of an import. Sure you don't get a warranty and it may be a bit older but it's a much higher quality car that can go fast, handle and look good

I can't say much about the quality issues you speak about. My dad has gone through EA, EF and now an AU2 falcon without dramas and i have had a Subaru WRX and ER34 Skyline without any gremlins. I think its unfair to generalise this issue, but, i won't disagree with the fact that a Holden or Ford would be *more likely* to break than a japanese car.

Nearly $60,000 for an F6? No thanks, give me an R33 GT-R or even a nice R34 GT-t anyday. I'm sure Ford will manage to sell plenty of them though but I look forward to pulling up next to one at the lights one night and seeing how a ten year old Skyline costing a third of the price goes against one...

stock for stock, yeah so would i

[Timmy G]

franks,

i'm sure my skyline would have been more fun on a track, but on the road i still rank my audi better (note the "I" - this is personal preference).

the skyline had it in the power department, but when you're going hard in a skyline i think you can safely say you're going at "book me a court appearance" speeds or screeching and sliding around corners.

with the awd i can take corners harder and generally stay closer to the speed limit, and it's a different drive. also driving in the wet isn't a dangerous affair, in my skyline with pirelli rubber (225s, rated very well in the wet), i still risked doing 180s around some corners, something *nearly* impossible to do in the audi with quattro and 235 dunlop sport sp9090s and traction control (i'm sure it's possible, but i'm also sure i'll never do it)

but this is based on the way i drive. the comparison would not be the same in an R34 which i believe comes standard with TC and a gt-r which is AWD and not RWD.

[franks]

G,

franks,

i'm sure my skyline would have been more fun on a track, but on the road i still rank my audi better (note the "I" - this is personal preference).

yes, you're entitled to your own opinion and we all classify what "fun" is very differently.

the skyline had it in the power department, but when you're going hard in a skyline i think you can safely say you're going at "book me a court appearance" speeds or screeching and sliding around corners.

wether you are speeding in an audi or speeding in a skyline, you are still "speeding".

yes, it is very difficult to get tyre squeel out of an audi (or any AWD car) whilst getting stuck into it through a corner, i certainly know this because i always try and get my brothers B6 1.8t quattro to be more adventurous!!!

as for tyre squeel, if you havent got the grip but more importantly, if you can't take a corner properly then of course you'll get tyre squeel cause you're overcooking the tyres. you can't automatically assume a RWD hi performance car will have tyre squeel when going hard into a corner!?!? i dont see Formula 1 cars squeeling all over the place? nor do i see the V8 super cars screeching around corners?

with the awd i can take corners harder and generally stay closer to the speed limit, and it's a different drive.  also driving in the wet isn't a dangerous affair, in my skyline with pirelli rubber (225s, rated very well in the wet), i still risked doing 180s around some corners, something *nearly* impossible to do in the audi with quattro and 235 dunlop sport sp9090s and traction control (i'm sure it's possible, but i'm also sure i'll never do it)

hrm, i'll have to agree to disagree. perhaps you should try going out as a passenger onto a racetrack in a fast RWD car to understand what real "driving" is, and experience some "fun" whilst you're at it

The previous car to my old R34 GTT was a WRX so whilst i appreciate what you're saying with the AWD vs RWD "grip" argument i can't quite agree with you in saying that you can go harder in an AWD than a setup RWD car - though on dirt, definately yes.

but this is based on the way i drive.  the comparison would not be the same in an R34 which i believe comes standard with TC and a gt-r which is AWD and not RWD.

i never liked traction control in my 34! it slowed me down! it would come on mid corner and be totally pointless! in the wet, yes, it was actually quite good - but i never really knew if the TC worked with the ABS unit though....i had a similar discussion with another group of friends who said that the R34 TC system just cut power to the engine - but when i drove the car it felt as though some brake balancing was happening.....

GTR's aren't AWD.

[LastTemptation]

this was a good read

[Timmy G]

hey franks,

i think we are actually agreeing with each other. i've been in a mates 200sx going full bore (harder than i would dare to go), on the edge in every corner and using the whole stretch of road and it's exhilerating, but it's also dangerous (on the road, a lot less so on the track of course). i have faith in my mate's driving, but on a track someone isn't going to walk across the road unexpectidely.

so the bottom line for me is that stuff like that might be fun, but it's dangerous. i get a higher fun to danger ratio in my audi than my skyline

[Autech]

franks,

I see your point in comparing two different cars and I realise that the F6 and Skyline are completely different beasts.

I have driven an XR6 Turbo auto and it was a very smooth drive and yes I can see how it would be nicer to drive everyday rather than a Skyline with rock hard suspension. I was impressed with the interior package which seems far superior to a Commodore, and dare I say it, an R33. The car in question had been back to Ford twice in six months for warranty work though...But yes, they are different horses for different courses.

In my own opinion, I feel that cars like the F6,SS et al are utilitarian vehicles with performance forced on them and they often struggle to conceal this.

[GTR R35]

Bang for your buck is great with the F6 or XR6T. While they are derived from a family car, they are built to a budget. You cannot compare a F6 with a 10yo skyline as they are totally different cars build for a different buyer. I can carry 5 adults and luggage and still blow the doors of most road cars. While I would swap it for a R33 4 door GTR in a flash, it does the job for me.

Aside from the build quality they are a great car, but you will not find better for under $60k.

[Mulkers]

Local turbo is nothing new... the VL? (Altough it was an RB :wassup: )

The worst thing about it is the ignorant reports that it should be banned because "...it can do 100km/h in 2nd gear!"

Beautiful car though.... but I would still prefer BFYB

[Cubes]

Look at the VL Turbo. Most definately a Cult car.

And still holding their price very well.

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My self I would consider a Ford XR6T when the need comes to buy a family sedan.

[Timmy G]

lots more money, but i've give the M5 or the RS6 (and maybe an E55) a go for the family mover

[FINER6]

So would I, but the operative word is "money"

[Mish]

Mulkers, I imagine when you say BFYB you're talking about the EVO VIII that won a coupla months back right? Yea, I'd definately be down for one of those!

If money was no object...I'd be looking in the M5, M3, vicinity and when/if it comes out the concept photos of the M6 look stunning. As you can see I'm a bit of a BMW fan!

I am a huge fan of the big fat Lamborghini's as well and a Vanquish, but now we're more into the Grand Tourers. M3, or EVO for balls out performance!

[timbar32]

I'd rather buy a B4 for the same money as a Typhoon..... Ok, less power, but heaps more class than what is still a Falcon.

[Cubes]

The B4 is nice.. Looking at the fuel consumption of the XR6T puts me off.

14L/100km's is what they 'claim'.

[GRUNTN]

Idont think much about the new fords or holdens and think they are a mimic , as for holden or ford finaly found turbochargers think again do i realy have to give the history on these sh#t boxes ,twin turbo v8 commodores oooo and falcon's , remember the skyline vl turbo 2 fella's. Its not new but the ford's -holdens have found out the hard way.ps does any one know where mrgotrice went lol-had 2 b there .