PowerFC ECUs w/ Hand Controllers (NEW & under $1000!)

[lwells]

Hi All,

I have a really long message typed out with almost all the details but I am waiting on some further confirmation as I don't want to lead people down the wrong path. What I can say is...

Credit Cards:

Some people expressed a preference to pay by credit card; others said they could only pay by credit card.

Unfortunately Brent cannot accept credit cards for this group buy. For those of you who only had a preference, I hope you can still continue; for those who had to pay by credit card, I am truely sorry.

There is one further option, which is going to your bank and withdrawing money on your credit card over the counter (I believe this is normally called a 'cash advance'). Obviously its a PITA to have to visit the bank, but its an option. I believe such transactions then just work as if you had purchased something normally with your credit card, but please check that with your bank as there may be additional charges or different interest rates.

Brent can, however, accept PayPal transfers (which can be charged directly to your credit card). Such transfers attract a 4% surcharge (basically, PayPal takes 4% of the transfer hence the need to add it back in).

Delivery:

People are obviously interest to know exactly when they can expect the goods. As I have stated in a couple of posts and PMs, I (personally; since its not me sending the goods) cannot give you an iron-clad date. Factors that will influence delivery dates include: the speed of payment; availability from Nengun's supplier; how quickly the supplier gets the units to Brent, and if there are any delays in postage times due to the Christmas mail load.

As I mentioned in the PM I sent out, once Brent gets the orders, he can provide a much more definate idea of when units will arrive. From reading other people's experiences of buying PowerFC's from Nengun, delivery time is usually about 1-3 weeks.

Boost Controllers:

I had a couple of people ask about boost controllers. I checked with Brent and he does not want to include them as part of this group buy as it will just get extremely difficult to keep track of different payment amounts and who gets what combination of goods.

If its any consolation, the PFC boost controller is not fantastic anyway IMHO: there are better products on the market for about the same price. Its only real advantage is integration, and that not that big a benefit anyway. I suggest you search these forums if you are interested in this issue.

Futher Price Discounts:

Yet other people wanted me to see if there were further discounts to be had; I promised I would ask, and I did. Basically the answer is no: Brent can't cut his margin anymore unless we reach 30 confirmed orders in which case the price falls about $10-15 per unit.

Again, this is about a 10% (and greater in some cases) discount on what is already the lowest price point in the market. I honestly don't think Brent is holding back on us.

Tuning:

Once you have your new PowerFC, you will probably want someone to tune it.

For those in NSW, Ruf Performance in Ingleburn have very kindly offered a deal for people in this group buy: they will tune your PFC/car from this groupbuy for $450 (normally $650). This only applies to people in this group buy.

If you are interested, contact [email protected] or 9605 3477 (ask for Kristof).

Miscellaneous, etc:

I will post up the remaining info (which relates mostly to payment) as soon as I get confirmation that its all correct.

Cheers,

Lucien.

[P1E]

Good work Lucien.

But what's wrong with the Power FC Boost Controller Kits? They are basically the AVC-R without the blue screen (and $800.00 price tag) and I thought they were one of the better options around? What would you recommend for the same sort of money? Maybe we can arrange another bulk purchase if there is enough interest.

I will definitely confirm for at least one Power FC, so you can add me to the list, but I won't be able to return your PM (with all the necessary information) until late tomorrow night.

Maybe our Power FCs will all arive on Christmas Day.

[lwells]

P1E:

There is nothing wrong with it at all, just that it has been out and not updated for quite a long time now. The Blitz 'dual series' and HKS EVC with the stepper motor are considered technically superior solutions and, although I have not personally seen the proof, it is argued hold boost better and more accurately. There are a couple of threads in Forced Induction dealing with this. I know the HKS is quite expensive (HKS brand = HKS price ), but the Blitz products are far more reasonable.

I will leave you in the unconfirmed until I get those details. Don't worry, its not that I don't love you Its just I am updating the confirmed list in parallel with a document for Nengun and I want to keep the two in sync.

Would be a nice Chrissy present for sure

Lucien.

[rs73]

P1E, nothing is wrong with PFC Boost control kit as what Lucien said, but there are limitations since it can only be controlled using the provided hand controller interface, compared to AVC-R which definitely has more features. Otherwise Apexi wouldn't be able to sell AVC-R as a stand alone products, if all its features can be covered using PFC boost control kit alone. Plus there are other boost control kit which is comparably good with AVC-R, e.g. Greddy Profec-B or HKS EVC (I recommended the EVC as the latest model is very easy to tune and hold boost well).

Other reason if one day you decide to sell your PFC (for whatever reason), then your boost control kit must go too, as it'll be hard to find anyone who want to sell just the AVC-R screen without its boost solenoid. So you'd still have to buy a standalone boost controller if you want to retain an aftermarket boost level.

But of course in terms of $, the PFC boost control kit will be cheaper than a full standalone product.

[rs73]

Damn, u beat me by 3 min.

P1E:

There is nothing wrong with it at all, just that it has been out and not updated for quite a long time now.  The Blitz 'dual series' and HKS EVC with the stepper motor are considered technically superior solutions and, although I have not personally seen the proof, it is argued hold boost better and more accurately.  There are a couple of threads in Forced Induction dealing with this.  I know the HKS is quite expensive (HKS brand = HKS price ), but the Blitz products are far more reasonable.

[paulr33]

thats sucks re: boost controller kit. the controller addon unit is fine, its all hearsay and rumors theres no actual problems with them. im not buying a stand alone engine management unit and then a seperate hks controller screw that, ill buy the boost kit locally if brent doesnt want my business

[lwells]

thats sucks re: boost controller kit. the controller addon unit is fine, its all hearsay and rumors theres no actual problems with them. im not buying a stand alone engine management unit and then a seperate hks controller screw that, ill buy the boost kit locally if brent doesnt want my business

Sorry

Nobody has said there is any particular problem with the PFC boost controller, but like any design, it can be improved upon.

Its not a question of not wanting your business: in fact I am sure he would love your business. However, it makes things very complex if people have different orders: its one thing to have different varieties of the same basic combination (PFC + H/C), its another when a certain percentage then want to include an additional item.

So rather than increase the logistics and possible slow down delivery, get items mixed up, and so forth, Brent would prefer to just keep it to PFCs and Hand Controllers. I know that's disappointing, but it makes sense from a logistics point of view.

Lucien.

[P1E]

I am pretty keen to organise a subsequent bulk purchase for boost controllers, whether they be the add-ons, or stand alone units. I'll wait until we have this round sorted, then get to work.

[Anquetil]

I am pretty keen to organise a subsequent bulk purchase for boost controllers, whether they be the add-ons, or stand alone units. I'll wait until we have this round sorted, then get to work.

I'd be in on that P1E.

[[email protected]]

NOTE:  

Confirmation must be recieved by 10PM EAST Thursday 25 November.

Payment will be expected on Friday 26 November 2004.

CONFIRMED BUYERS = 26

• lwells - BNR 32/32 89/8- 98/8 RB26DETT PFC 414-N029 H/C 415-X001
  
• mzgtst - ECR33 93/8-98/4 RB25DET PFC 414-N012 H/C 415-X001 Series 1 & 2
  
• gofur - ECR33 93/8-98/4 RB25DET PFC 414-N012 H/C 415-X001 Series 1 & 2
  
• RichyR32GTR - BNR 32/32 89/8- 98/8 RB26DETT PFC 414-N029 H/C 415-X001
  
• ECL27 - S15 99/1-02/7 SR20DET PFC 414-N018 H/C 415-X001
  
• cowie165 - BNR 32/32 89/8- 98/8 RB26DETT PFC 414-N029 H/C 415-X001
  
• rs73 -- ECR33 93/8-98/4 RB25DET PFC 414-N012 H/C 415-X001 Series 1 & 2
  
• brett33 - ECR33 93/8-98/4 RB25DET PFC 414-N012 H/C 415-X001 Series 1 & 2
  
• babia - ECR33 93/8-98/4 RB25DET PFC 414-N012 H/C 415-X001 SERIES 1 & 2
  
• 4R33L - ECR33 93/8-98/4 RB25DET PFC 414-N012 H/C 415-X001 Series 1 & 2
  
• SIR-JD - ECR33 93/8-98/4 RB25DET PFC 414-N012 H/C 415-X001 Series 1 & 2
  
• Nemesis - ECR33 93/8-98/4 RB25DET PFC 414-N012 H/C 415-X001 Series 1 & 2
  
• kasanoff - ECR33 93/8-98/4 RB25DET PFC 414-N012 H/C 415-X001 Series 1 & 2
  
• SLYSX - RPS13 94/1-96/7 SR20DET PFC 414-N015 H/C 415-X001
  
• Mason - ECR33 93/8-98/4 RB25DET PFC 414-N012 H/C 415-X001
  
• R3AP3R - ECR33 93/8-98/4 RB25DET PFC 414-N012 H/C 415-X001 Series 1 & 2
  
• paulr33 - ECR33 93/8-98/4 RB25DET PFC 414-N012 H/C 415-X001 Series 1 & 2
  
• Guilty - ECR33 93/8-98/4 RB25DET PFC 414-N012 H/C 415-X001 Series 1 & 2
  
• SpecS15 - S15 99/1-02/7 SR20DET PFC 414-N018 H/C 415-X001
  
• STU E - ECR33 93/8-98/4 RB25DET PFC 414-N012 H/C 415-X001 Series 1 & 2
  
• Bullant47 - 180SX RPS13 91/1-93/12 SR20DET R/ HEAD PFC 414-N014 H/C 415-X001
  
• Bullant47 - ECR33 93/8-98/4 RB25DET PFC 414-N012 H/C 415-X001 Series 1 & 2
  
• blukie - ECR33 93/8-98/4 RB25DET PFC 414-N012 H/C 415-X001 Series 1 & 2
  
• -KK- - S15 99/1-02/7 SR20DET PFC 414-N018 H/C 415-X001
  
• BLK R33 GTST - ECR33 93/8-98/4 RB25DET PFC 414-N012 H/C 415-X001 Series 1 & 2
  
• babs - SILIVIA PS13 91/1-93/9 SR20DET R/ HEAD PFC 414-N014 H/C 415-X001
  

UNCONFIRMED BUYERS = 15

• P1E - Skyline R33 S1 GTS-25t
  
• Craved - Skyline R33 RB25DET S1
  
• DrewR33GTR - Skyline R33 GT-R
  
• Reedy - Skyline R33 GTS-t S2
  
• babs - Skyline R33 GTS-t S1
  
• JUN-S15 - Silvia S15 Blacktop (2001)
  
• tridentt150v - Skyline R33 GTS-t S2
  
• CONRAD - Skyline R32 GT-R
  
• Peter Wilson
  
• blues15
  
• Blitz
  
• Coupe-This
  
• xdrift
  
• Shane
  
• TUF-200
  

CONFIRMED OUT: (No shame; just keeping track)

• tbeffect - Skyline R33 GTS-t S1.5
  
• fane - Skyline R33 GTS-t S1
  

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Hi All,

I am currently in the market for a PowerFC and have noticed a couple of other people are, besides which there always seems to be a demand for these units.

With that in mind, who would be interested in a group buy?

I have spoken to Brent @ Nengun -- who a lot of people have bought parts through over the years -- to get an idea of the discount involved.  Here is what he had to say:

Now obviously there are some considerations:

• We need 20 people.
  
• The exchange rate is a determining factor.
  
• The offer is only good for one week.
  

 

The benefits, however, are:

• The units are $987.75: I have never seen new PFCs w/ hand controllers for <$1000.  
  
• The price includes individual delivery
  
• The items are duty exempt
  
• Any PFC except the AP Engineering units (and D-Jetro/Pro too I imagine) -- sorry R32 GTS-t people, that counts you out.
  

Edit: Re GST Charges, this is what Brent had to say:

So, if you interested and have (or will have) the funds available, please say so and include your preferred model.  

If you have any questions, post them up.

Lucien.

If it suits a 97 260RS Stagea i will take one, where or who do l pay.

[lwells]

If it suits a 97 260RS Stagea i will take one, where or who do l pay.

There is no Stagea-specific PFC.

Is your Stagea manual or auto? If its auto, then you will have to look at piggyback ECUs (eg. Greddy emange). If its manual, you can probably just use the corresponding Skyline unit, but its up to you to work out which one that is and confirm with someone who has done it already that it works as I don't want to be held responsible if it doesn't

BTW, can people please not quote the whole first post in their replies: it clogs the thread and makes it very confusing.

Lucien.

[P1E]

Looks like we'll reach 30 confirmed buyers then. So, does that mean we'll save another $10-$15? It's not much, but I'd rather it be in my pocket than in Nengun's.

[lwells]

Looks like we'll reach 30 confirmed buyers then. So, does that mean we'll save another $10-$15? It's not much, but I'd rather it be in my pocket than in Nengun's.

We may reach that mark. You have to remember that often a couple of people can't pay for various reasons, and others suddenly stop responding to emails/PMs/phonecalls despite having confirmed they want to go ahead. The issue with credit card payments might also (legitimately) mean some people can no longer continue.

Lucien.

[lwells]

I have heard back from Brent @ Nengun confirming the additional information I needed, so I can now post up the rest of my original message.

Again, this is very important, so read through it carefully.

Payment:

There was some doubt how the payments would work. I can confirm now that you will pay straight into a Nengun's Australian account. There was the option of me collecting all the funds, but I think some people would have significant issues with trusting a complete stranger.

Payment will be expect on Friday 26 November. The absolute cutoff for Nengun to recieve payment (not just make it, but for it to go through) is Wednesday 1 December.

This gives people the better part of four full working days for payments to go through. Please try and make your payments as early as possible to minimise delays and so any problems can be worked out ASAP.

If you think you will have a problem with these dates, please let me know ASAP so we can work through the issue.

Methods of Payment:

There will be three main methods of payment from what people have been saying: 1) Over the counter desposits; 2) Internet banking transfers; 3) Paypal.

Nengun banks with ANZ. The fastest method of payment is to withdraw funds from your account, visit an ANZ branch, and make the deposit over the counter: such transfers are instantaneous. Make sure you fillout the deposit slip completely -- especially your name -- and get a receipt for the desposit.

Netbanking transfers (between banks) usually take 24-48 hours, so keep that in mind and try to put them through on Friday. If you also bank with ANZ, the transfer should go through very quickly (often near instantaneously, but sometimes it can take an hour or two to show up). Take a screenshot of the confirmation of payment.

PayPal transfer should be near instantaneous.

Payment Details:

Payment details -- that is, Nengun's account details and a finalised proce -- will be provided by Nengun after they have recieved orders. I will post the details in the thread as soon as I recieve them. I will also PM everyone with the details, and send emails out.

If anyone specifically wants to be contacted by phone with the details, I can do that too as long as their isn't too many people You can, of course, ring me too. I will have Friday off so I will be around and easily contactable.

Regardless, the details will be readily available.

As the exchange rate is likely to fluctuate slightly between the placing of orders (Friday) and the final day for payment (Wednesday), and Nengun being able to transfer funds to Japan, a very small amount (no more than $1-2) will be added to the price to account for said deviations: for example, if on Friday the final price is $988.00, it might be rounded to $990. I hope nobody objects to that? It means we can keep the payment window open for longer so people don't have to rush around on Friday to pay if they have work commitments.

If you honestly feel that's not acceptable, let me know.

Miscellaneous, etc:

I think that about covers everything. As always, let me know if you have any comments or questions, and thank you all for your interest and support.

Cheers,

Lucien.

[Guilty]

For those of us that are transfering money via netbank, do we have to take a screen shot and send it to you? or just simply just keep it in case we need to prove we already paid*

So if we transfer through Friday, it should be in on monday or tuesday........since banks are lazy fux n dun work on wkends...

Ummm is there any way that we can be informed somehow, that our transfers has gone through when it has? and that our money hasnt disappeared to somewhere else?

If that's not possible or too much trouble than dont worry about it...=)

[lwells]

For those of us that are transfering money via netbank, do we have to take a screen shot and send it to you? or just simply just keep it in case we need to prove we already paid*

So if we transfer through Friday, it should be in on monday or tuesday........since banks are lazy fux n dun work on wkends...

Ummm is there any way that we can be informed somehow, that our transfers has gone through when it has? and that our money hasnt disappeared to somewhere else?

If that's not possible or too much trouble than dont worry about it...=)

Take the screenshot as proof of purchase. Part of the reason I have been collecting bank details is so payments can be easily identified so you don't need to send the screenshot to me: its just a safety net so you can prove that you have sent the money.

I will discuss the best way to confirm payment with Nengun. Either way, take the screenshot

Lucien.

[Nemesis]

where do we get Nenguns australian account details from mate?

dan

[lwells]

where do we get Nenguns australian account details from mate?

dan

The details will be made available on Friday. They will be posted in the thread and sent out via PM and email.

Lucien.

[xdrift]

lucien i tried calling you tonite but i got a message bank.

please check your email.

cheers brother.

[lwells]

lucien i tried calling you tonite but i got a message bank.

please check your email.  

cheers brother.

Sorry mate: I have been out since about 6PM (left it behind when I went to gym, then went striaght to dinner, etc). Will check voicemail now and get back to you ASAP (probably first thing tomorrow: wrecked ATM).

Lucien.