NA31 Cefiro?

[topgear]

Hey Guys,

I was wondering what's the difference between the A31 Cefiro and NA31 Cefiro(4WD) in the chassis department?

Do they share the same floorpan and front suspension setup?

Pics of the NA31's undercarriage would be nice(same as an 4 door R32?)

Cheers.

[inark]

interesting question.. i'll do some research unless someone posts before i can about it.

[someonestolecc]

There's a AWD cefiro?

Didn't know that. Anyone have and 'hard' examples? Sounds like it could be quite the weapon no?

[topgear]

Definitely a sick sleeper.

There's a couple of them in New Zealand from what I have gathered through SDU.co.nz.

Im just curious on difference of the RWD and 4WD chassis and whether it is possible to fit an R32 GTR engine and drivetrain into the A31 Cefiro.

Cheers.

[inark]

yeah theres definately a few around... there was one i wanted to buy from japan as it had an RB26DETT in it...

i would have to say it would be different but im still looking... will try and confirm.

[Mr Eps]

autech made a few, they are heavy from what i hear

[jaik]

Here is some info I have on the Cefiros. Some even came with RB25DET goodness. 4WD was RB20DET.

8809 - 9008 - RB20DET 2WD

9008 - unknown - RB20DET 4WD

9206 - unknown - RB25DE 2WD

More Pictures like the one below can be found at http://www.innaloo.net/~jai/cefiro/fast/

JK

[jaik]

Also - motor layout from the 4WD A31

http://www.innaloo.net/~jai/cefiro/fast/rb...rb204wd_a31.jpg

Gearbox Mounting from 4WD

http://www.innaloo.net/~jai/cefiro/fast/rb...earboxmount.jpg

Gearbox Mounting from 2WD

http://www.innaloo.net/~jai/cefiro/fast/rb...earboxmount.jpg

JK

[inark]

http://english.auto.vl.ru/catalog/nissan/cefiro/

knock urselves out

[topgear]

Thanks for the info mate.

Ok, now the question is,..is it possible to fit all the R32 GTR Drivetrain into an A31(RWD) chassis?

From my understanding the A31's front suspension is McPherson type and the GTR is multi-link,which means they have different suspension pick up points hence a different crossmember.

I may be wrong so feel free to correct me.

[inark]

by drivetrain do u mean engine and gearbox into RWD??

[funkymonkey]

The AWD ceffies are the floowing:

Nissan Cefiro 2.0 ATESSA Cruise Model released August, 1990

Nissan Cefiro 2.0 ATESSA Cruise Model released August, 1991

Nissan Cefiro 2.0 SE-4 Model release May, 1992

The SE-4's sucky as, wheras the ATESSA Cruise are the puppies you wanna get.

[topgear]

by drivetrain do u mean engine and gearbox into RWD??

Yup..R32 GTR's RB26DETT engine and ATTESA 4WD system into the A31 Chassis(since getting an NA31 is like looking for a camel in antarctica)...is it possible?

Cheers.

[funkymonkey]

you'll have to replace all the sensors with proper GTR ones, fit some hicas equipment as most ceffies didn't come with hicas (was only an option). other than that, the ATESSA system in the A31 is very similar to the one in the GTS4, not the GTR's ATESSA. net result the car feels bulky and is less maneuvreble than a RWD car, or a GTR.

Novel idea tho.

[inark]

in other words... just get a RWD with an RB26DETT in it like mine

save ya the hassles and more fun

[funkymonkey]

i'd say its very similar to making a GTS4 into a GTR. in other words, waste of time n money. keep it RWD and make it more fun. If you really need to spend your money that badly on a GTR with 4 doors, buy a 260RS. It runs a similar setup to what a GTR-Spec ATESSA AWD Cefiro will be like, out of the box. SHould end up costing around the same too.

[inark]

bit heavier tho... wont handle as well...

[topgear]

i'd say its very similar to making a GTS4 into a GTR. in other words, waste of time n money. keep it RWD and make it more fun. If you really need to spend your money that badly on a GTR with 4 doors, buy a 260RS. It runs a similar setup to what a GTR-Spec ATESSA AWD Cefiro will be like, out of the box. SHould end up costing around the same too.

From where I come from(East Malaysia), the A31 is the only car that is still readily available.Hardly if not never, heard of the 260RS..hehehe... Furthermore, I know most of you dudes here use the A31 for drifting but I'd like a sleeper with an RB26 and 4WD in it(straight line beast). As for the 4WD system, I think I'd forget about all the wiring hassle and opt for the Veilside or APEXi torque split controller...unsure how much they cost though.

Speaking about cost, I can keep the labour rates low as I deal with many workshops almost everyday who can give me good deals.Furthermore, I do have my own mini workshop at my backyard(my dad's also an enthusiast).

If I see a huge possibility of converting the A31 into an RB26DETT/4WD beast, I'll set aside some $$ for it to happen sometime soon. What's holding me back is the modifications to the chassis that is needed to fit the gearbox/ATTESSA system(wider) as well as the front suspension and front subframe/crossmember to clear the moving parts..

FYI, the A31's price over here stays at around AUD 15k. How much is it over there?

[topgear]

I hope he doesnt mind but this is pic of a friend's nissan cefiro in west malaysia.Yeap, that's a T51R SPL. Runs 1000cc x 6 injectors and a Haltech E6K.

RWD though.

[funkymonkey]

hehe I'm supposed to be in malaysia right now holidayin in KL... anyways... the cefiros in KL are all the RB24S carby versions arent they? I think I saw a few N/A RB20 ones but most of the souped up ones had 1JZ's in them. The Malay ceffies are a bit different to the Jap ones in that the brakes and suspension are a lil different.

An A31 landed and registered in australia can cost anywhere between 12kish for a good clean stock or mildly modified automatic (like the one my dad drives), about 9k for a used and abused drift pig, or a purposely built full tuning house car like inark RB26 ceffy (built by Ken Works as a drift "practice car") will cost you in excess of 16k without compliance and registration which should tip it at about 20k all up.