Big Acco On Old Pac Hwy (now)!!!

[wylie]

Man... i love knee jerk policy in action, seriously rediculous idea, lets also band go-karting and dirt bike racing

[stolly]

-Can't say I agree with the P - Plate ban, I believe all it will do is prolong the agony for 12 months, - they'll putt around in something slow for on their red's and then as soon as the year is up what do they do - go and buy a high performance car. The result will still be the same, Yes they may have a bit more driving experience but still haven't had the experience of driving a high performance car, and we all know the type of speeds a GTR is capable in a short distance. I believe the answer is in education and TRAINING, maybe some sort of a law whereby you have to complete advanced training/driving courses to drive a high powered car. - ie. maybe a stage one course lets you drive up to 180kw, stage two 200kw etc etc. I know this will vary with different cars, or it could be a power/weight ratio. (hope that all made sense!)

Reading about this accident made me feel crook, poor bike dude and poor car driver - even though he was apparantely being a ****head, he's pretty much f%%ed a fair bit of his life while out on a Saturday arvo, drive. God knows I'm sure this could habe happened to a fair % of us over the years.

-Save it for the track!

[ecl]

i havent heard this splattered everywhere on the news yet unlike the other incidents

but its not good especially with the current situation

* sigh... when will ppl learn?

[Duncan]

Its sad isn't it. And maybe it reinforces the idea that registered car clubs are a safe way for enthusiasts to enjoy their cars.

As Nick said we were literally 5 min behind the accident on the Old Pac. But we were tootling along at the speed limit having a great day out. On the S15 cruise someone died.

The pressure is on formal clubs to do everything they can to make a safe driving environment, as club execs we cant afford to have something like that happen on an official cruise.

Make no mistake a knee jerk reaction will come. The Telegraph and its brainwashers will put public pressure on politicians until they have to act. The anti-car people have clowns like Harold Scruby working full time stirring up trouble. On the other hand car enthusiasts are own their own.....

[Revhead]

Can't say I agree with the P - Plate ban, I believe all it will do is prolong the agony for 12 months, - they'll putt around in something slow for on their red's and then as soon as the year is up what do they do - go and buy a high performance car. The result will still be the same, Yes they may have a bit more driving experience but still haven't had the experience of driving a high performance car

The result won't be the same, they'll have a year's driving under their belt. I don't think that anyone should be allowed to jump into a powerful car with little or no driving experience, it's like going to a ski slope for the first time ever and trying one of the 'pro only' courses. While it's also true that there are a few people out there with the maturity to drive a fast car to their own limits, the sad fact is that most road laws are put in place to protect the majority, and much of that majority are idiots.

[GTR R35]

I have read all the threads from people who were at the accident and it looks like it was an "accident" caused by a biker close to the center line leaning into the corner and being clipped by a car close to the center line going in the other direction.

Apparently the rider was in shorts and a T shirt and also did not have his helmet properly buckled. It is sad for his family that he was killed, but he should hae been wearing his protective gear, as apparently it might have saved his life.

[Kel]

-Can't say I agree with the P - Plate ban, I believe all it will do is prolong the agony for 12 months, - they'll putt around in something slow for on their red's and then as soon as the year is up what do they do - go and buy a high performance car. The result will still be the same, Yes they may have a bit more driving experience but still haven't had the experience of driving a high performance car, and we all know the type of speeds a GTR is capable in a short distance. I believe the answer is in education and TRAINING, maybe some sort of a law whereby you have to complete advanced training/driving courses to drive a high powered car. - ie. maybe a stage one course lets you drive up to 180kw, stage two 200kw etc etc. I know this will vary with different cars, or it could be a power/weight ratio. (hope that all made sense!)

Reading about this accident made me feel crook, poor bike dude and poor car driver - even though he was apparantely being a ****head, he's pretty much f%%ed a fair bit of his life while out on a Saturday arvo, drive. God knows I'm sure this could habe happened to a fair % of us over the years.

-Save it for the track!

I totally agree, I am going to start sounding like a broken record but you have to question whether introducing all these restrictions just pushes the problem from occuring when drivers are on their P-plates, to when they become a full licence, but totally inexperienced driver. Hey, but then it's not a problem and the moral crusaders have won their war right?

I think the answer is to introduce driving training/ awareness at school. Get graphic- scare the shite out of kids by showing them the aftermarth of accidents, show them no one is immortal. Stress how important it is for them to behave responsibly on the roads.

Also focus on passengers, and educate them that they have as much responsibility as the driver- to either get drivers to stop driving like clowns, or get out of the car if they won't.

I was on my way to the SAU lunch at Gosford with a group that was turned around because of this accident. There is nothing worse than the feeling when you know the life of a fellow enthusiast has been lost (whatever the circumstances).

Let's hope the government takes a sensible, not knee jerk, approach to ensuring all drivers (of cars and motorbikes) are safe on the roads.

[stolly]

- Thanks for the backup Kel, I really believe the ban on P-Platers is a deadset kneejerk reaction by Carl Scully in the hope that the public will buy that the Government is trying to do something - All these meetings/discussions/enquires into road safety etc etc that they have been having recently and that is the best they can come up with? And these 'intelligent' people are running the country! Although they are going to have that trial on driver education etc - at least one small step in the right direction.

[justinfox]

Must stop P Platers from driving high performance cars. They are killing themselves and others.

[Moanie]

I cant believe what I just saw on TV. Claims of a potential ban on P-Platers drag racing full stop. This means they would not be allowed to race at WSID for example.

Way to go whoever came up with that moronic idea, lets take away the ability of P-Platers to race in a controlled and safe environment. If this was to happen, more and more people will resort to speeding/racing on public roads.

While I support a few of the ideas being thrown around in an attempt to kurb p-plate deaths, this new suggestion is complete and utter bull5hit.

i saw this in the news previews as well... i agree.. how stupid!! wsid might be the only place young kids can go for a speed hit... and now they are banning it? I agree with nick... kids will just take it to the streets... simple.

RIP to the bike rider they always cruise through old pac i wonder if the s15 was overtaking when the bike was coming in the opposite direction? poor s15 driver... to have to go through the rest of his life knowing he killed someone... i think i'd rather die than live with that guilt

EDIT: just read a previous post about how the accident may have occurred... looks like nothing could have been done to prevent it... but still.. the horror of the accident would be with you for a long time.

[Pro2835]

i think u guys should get your facts straight before u say anything.......u guys should be smarter then this, everyone knows that the media will write any bullshit to get a story, and driving like dickhead?????how would u know when u werent there????....it could of been any 1 that day only those at the site knows the truth....it was an accident that no 1 can prevent....just because it happen to be a P plate every1 has to make a big deal about it....

[Pro2835]

http://www.nissansilvia.com/forums/index.p...showtopic=68449

i think u guys should read this link before any judgement is made

[locosam]

Sad to say, but there was another accident involving P plater and 2 skylines last night as well.

2 people died in that one

http://www.smh.com.au/news/National/Pplate...3391726554.html

Banning P platers from powerful cars may not be the best solution, but id rather let them have 1 years experience in a crap car first before they jump into thier GTR or whatever. They may not learn much about driving, but you cant say that they wont be better off with 1 years experience under thier belt