I HATE TO SAY I TOLD YOU SO, modified car owners about to become public enemy No.1

[Kel]

78vbsle  

Are you stupid? Speeding kills. Seen the ad lately with the two falcons with same driver and reaction time?  

Why do the RTA specialise in spending a majority of their Budget on Speeding, Drink Driving and Fatigue?

Why is there a "speed blitz" and not a fatigue blitz? BEcause speeding is a major factor in road fatalties. Cars don't snap in half from going the speed limit.  

I give up on trying to explain my point but clearly the RTA makes as much effort as they can to get idiots off the road.

Hmm- point taken but that RTA ad is NOT a good ad for the basis of an argument on speed because it's flawed.

The car doing the lesser speed crashes into a flat side of the truck. The car 'speeding' hits the corner of the truck (lots more potential for damage).

The ad also discounts the other factors on the road in a real life emergency situation- visibility/space around you etc etc.

I understand the point of the ad- that speed reduces stopping time and distance- but who would really drive straight into a truck?

[bootlegapparel]

78vbsle  

Are you stupid? Speeding kills. Seen the ad lately with the two falcons with same driver and reaction time?  

Why do the RTA specialise in spending a majority of their Budget on Speeding, Drink Driving and Fatigue?

Why is there a "speed blitz" and not a fatigue blitz? BEcause speeding is a major factor in road fatalties. Cars don't snap in half from going the speed limit.  

I give up on trying to explain my point but clearly the RTA makes as much effort as they can to get idiots off the road.

hahahahaha, yeah, that ad sure is awesome and realistic...

Might bring up something i've said before;

How do you define "speeding"?

Do you go by the governments interpretation of what they deemed safe 20 years ago for all cars? and anything over this is immediately unsafe, because that's what you're saying.

I will say i like the RTA they tend to do a pretty good job, cept with some regualtions and fees, but it's the state government that's screwing around.

[The_Paladin]

speed does kill.........it offends me when people say otherwise because so many have been killed where if they were not exceeding the speed limit they would have survived.

speed does kill. it can mean the difference between loosing control of a car and not loosing control. if you dont know that you shouldnt have a licence.......

[Kel]

speed does kill.........it offends me when people say otherwise because so many have been killed where if they were not exceeding the speed limit they would have survived.

speed does kill.  it can mean the difference between loosing control of a car and not loosing control.  if you dont know that  you shouldnt have a licence.......

I'm not discounting your point- many people have died in accidents involving speed where they may have survived had they been going a lot slower.

But there have also been just as many fatal accidents where people would have survived if:

- they had taken a break and not been tired at the wheel

- they were wearing a seatbelt

- the had not been under the influence or drugs or alcohol

- they had not been under the influence of someone encouraging them to drive like a clown

- they had taken better care of their car

- they had been driving on a road that a state government had actually maintained with their taxes

- they hadn't been driving in poor weather conditions

etc etc etc.

There are many factors, or combinations of factors, which cause fatal accidents.

When road safety campaigns focus on this with as much prominance, and enforcement as they do speeding, they will have more credibility and more success.

[PTR33]

Something that really gives me the sh!ts is the "If it saves one life it will be worth it" bullsh!t that is trotted out to justify some Draconian law change/biltz/victimisation campain the likes as is usually aimed at car enthusiasts.

Ok, all you who come out with this bullsh!t and all those who agree with it, let's see you put your money where your mouth is if you really want to save lives.

A large proportion of road fatalities die from head injuries. Helmets would save HUNDREDS of lives EVERY year. Do you think we will ever see a law mandating the wearing of Snell approved crash helmets in all cars? Apparantly "If it saves one life it will be worth it" doesn't count if it is going to mess up my hair???

Money talks, bullsh!t walks..........

Keep walking Johnny.

[manta]

Worst of all, this is going to get alot worse before it gets better. It is getting cheaper and cheaper to buy a quick car and modify it letting younger people (with less money in general) to buy them and do them up.

The government can see that jap imports are getting cheaper, and along with the big media stir-up to try and get something interesting in the news they are enjoying putting all the blame on us. so the government is trying (and will?) curb jap imports.... they are worried that in 3-5 years time an r33 t will be worth $8-10k and 16 yolds will be earning that in 12 months at maccas! it is a pity the government doesn't have any intelligence to make the right decision (they manage people from inside offices, instead of getting outside and interacting with people, which is the complete opposite to the way I am taught to be a good manager).

There are so many stupid people out there who can't drive quick cars but will get into them and crash them. I don't feel that sorry for the stupid people dying, thats natural selection and it happens all the time. Maybe further education in school and during driving training will help for the moment....

I don't think there is a simple answer, but will all this be over when petrol gets up to $5-10 a litre? Many people may not be able to afford that? So maybe by 2010 it will be a non-issue.

[bootlegapparel]

Ok, all you who come out with this bullsh!t and all those who agree with it, let's see you put your money where your mouth is if you really want to save lives.

A large proportion of road fatalities die from head injuries. Helmets would save HUNDREDS of lives EVERY year.  Do you think we will ever see a law mandating the wearing of Snell approved crash helmets in all cars? Apparantly "If it saves one life it will be worth it" doesn't count if it is going to mess up my hair???

Money talks, bullsh!t walks..........

Keep walking Johnny.

I think the problem with helmets is visability.

Then i got to thinking, what about people, say, yr 12s going to their formal in a limo, can't expect them to wear helmets.

On this issue, it's fine the way it is.

Something that really gives me the sh!ts is the "If it saves one life it will be worth it" bullsh!t that is trotted out to justify some Draconian law change/biltz/victimisation campain the likes as is usually aimed at car enthusiasts.

I agree there, i hate people saying that.

The government can see that jap imports are getting cheaper, and along with the big media stir-up to try and get something interesting in the news they are enjoying putting all the blame on us. so the government is trying (and will?) curb jap imports.... they are worried that in 3-5 years time an r33 t will be worth $8-10k and 16 yolds will be earning that in 12 months at maccas!

I don't see a huge issue with this a R33 isn't anything that special, commodores and falcons have the close to the same performance and they've been selling for a long time cheaply.

But they do need to teach people to drive, i'd like to see it just for peice of mind. Doesn't matter to me if a R33 hits me or a Excel hits me, i'll still get ****ed up.

speed does kill.........it offends me when people say otherwise because so many have been killed where if they were not exceeding the speed limit they would have survived.

speed does kill. it can mean the difference between loosing control of a car and not loosing control. if you dont know that you shouldnt have a licence.......

If you're refering to what i said i'm not condoning "speeding"

It's against the current laws so i won't do it, and wouldn't like to see anyone else doing it, but look at for example, victorians insane laws, where 3kms over and you're done, now that's idiotic, but, that's "speeding" so it must be dangerous.

It should be a grey area where common sense prevails and it would be a empty threat, of course, 10-15kms over would be done, but small ammounts would be overlooked for more important issues to be tackled, since most of these small ammounts of "speeding" are accidental, my auntie only recently got done for 3kms over by a camera on her drive down for a visit, she has never had a ticket and was so upset that this would happen, it's insane.

'High speed can kill' would be a more accurate thing to say, but it doesn't have that kick does it.

Summing up, all i'm saying is that it's getting out of control what the governments are doing, as everyone knows the "speed limits" where posted 10-20 years ago, on horrible roads for not great cars, but they are constantly lowering them.

But i don't want people to speed since it's against the law, if people feel it should be raised, tolerances should be brought back like they used to have, then they should campaign to get the laws changed, until such time, just have to stick it out and abide by them, that's the best way to earn a good reputation to have your voice heard.