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it may not be on how loud they go bax. alof of ""bad quality subs will go loud and hard."" but make more noises that a better quality one. nor would the produce the bass note precisly.

Pio; you would be better off going with maybe a older pioneer sub, e.g a 303c serries, since they are getting cheeper.

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ah. :) if you after some good pioneer sub's that are cheep, id look at the tsw303c, they can be had here for under 80 bucks. in NZ. and i currently have one, and it hits hard. and has good quality.

Plus, design your box well, thats the most important part

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Note I didn't mention how hard they go, but yeah I know what you mean.

In all reality, they don't go as loud doof doof as what some Alpines my mate has, but they do produce a good enough quality for me anyway. When it comes to a sub anyway.. All it has to do for me is keep the low notes going..

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