Suspension and brake questions

[Resin]

I have a stock manual cefiro turbo

i have noticed that some of u have 5 stud hubs and brakes off skylines or s14's?

Should i bother doing this ? is it worth it? are there other options where the 4 stud is left and bigger brakes fitted?

I want to put adjustable coilovers in and was looking at the whiteline ones for the s13 ...has anyone had any experience with whiteline coilovers before?

and are swaybars made specifically for the cefiro or are they made for the silvia or soemthing and they are meant to fit ?

this is the same for front and rear strut braces

thanks

alex

[pitchd]

if you want an easy and decent assortment of wheels - 5 stud is a necessity...

i still dont understand why people run 4 stud on a minute amount of dedicated drifters - shit sellection of wheels and youve got 1 less stud holding your wheel on... hell if i could id do 6 stud but its inpractical!

coilovers - id go 2nd hand jap (HKS, APEXI, TEIN, JIC, KEI OFFICE, SECTION, CUSCO)

im going section or cusco in early february...

around about a grand delivered for excellent condition used ones is what you should expect to pay!

generally sway bars from other cars can be fitted (ie. with s13 platform you can use 180, r32 gtr, z32 etc)

ill be going cusco front and rear... youll be able to fit s13, 180, z32 and r32 sway bars to your car

oh and strut braces - as far as i know... you need ones specifically made for cefiro - so get hunting!

- adz

[Resin]

I have found out that the Front s13 front strut brace and r32 rear strut brace fits the cefiro ....

i would like to try and confirm which swaysbars fit the front and rear of the cefrio ....

if people know exactly which swaybars fit from certain models would be good ...so i can get some from whiteline.

[RiverSide]

I have proper cefiro strut braces (fronts) available....... They do not rub like i have seen S13 items do.

Let me know if interested.

[RussGTR]

If you are prepared to go with jap wheels, in my experience, 4 stud is generally not a problem.

I was in the same boat. Keep 4 stud or convert to 5.

I am not sure about brake upgrades, but every wheel i was looking at came in a 4 and 5 stud version and a normal and deep rim version for each.

Good question, i would like other peoples opinions.

Is there are decent 4 stud brake upgrade?

[RiverSide]

Russgtr........I have awesome wheels on my car and definately do not want to lose them so when i upgrade my brakes i plan to use R32 or 300zx discs and calipers but have them re-drilled (properly) back to 4 stud.....this process uses one of the original holes. You may however need to fit spacers for your wheels to clear the calipers. My wheels already require that due to the crazy offset.

PS the diameter of the R32/300zx discs is the same as the factory cefiro discs but they are thicker, therefore 4 piston calipers can NOT be used on your factory discs.

[adrnln]

I have bought and put in S13 front strut brace and the R32 rear strust brace BUT with the rear strut brace the holes have to be redrilled to suit. The s13 and R32 braces for the rear, the strut tops are on an angle, with the Ceffies their pretty much stright with the width of the car.

I have jap suspension Tein HA and love them.

I am waiting for the R32 calapiers and rotors to get here and do the same with the redrill and 4 spots on the front keeping the original 4 stud

[someonestolecc]

I've always been a fan of 5 stud for fatter wheels. On these forums you tend to find nice 5 stud wheels (ie for s14, s15, r32/33/34, 350z, supra etc). I found when looking for wheels the 4 studded ones just tend to be smaller and would look more at home on smaller/slower cars.

I was glad the car I got already had r32 brakes all round with s15 hubs (which i think are the same anyway). This meant that whenever shopping for wheels I know that any ones that fit a skyline can fit mine (the clearances etc are all the same).

The brakes are a phenomenal improvement over stock cefiro brakes but won't matter TOO much if you're starting to drift it, although I must admit with some nice pads the handbrake comes into it's own

In traffic and for circuit they pull up shitloads better. And with some nice pads (I'm running project mu which I'm lovin) they pull up quicker than a fighter pilot that took too much speed (and a lot of skylines for that matter).

I've only ever compared stock cefiro with so-so pads, stock cefiro with rb74s, stock skyline with so-so pads and my cef with skyline brakes and random hard pads and then project mu's. So this may be different to what others have found.

Either way if you're goin to the trouble of fitting skyline brakes you may as well save up some more cash and get the hubs - The biggest advantage I see in this is that your brakes are more "standard" .. ie if you ever need work done on them or parts you know your brakes are skyline brakes. Not skyline brakes re-drilled to 4 stud. (and as mentioned before wheel issues).

PS. I'd also go j-coilovers simply because they're harder. People always say whiteline are nice for aussie roads because they're bumpy. Personally I can safely steer clear of pot holes and the like and I don't abuse power goin around corners (cos with hard suspension if you hit a bump you'll come un-stuck real quick) - for me hard suspension works great.

I've found in my mates GTiR with about 2k worth of whiteline parts in it while it handles GREAT and you'd take it to targa no problems - I don't find it quite hard enough (as you might like on a track).

shrug go for a ride with some cefiro peoples thats my advice - you'll find there's a great diversity of settings even between different sets of the same brand coilovers.

[Resin]

So when u upgrade to skyline hubs and brakes the rear brakes get change too?

and also is there anyneed to change the MC and booster? will this cope with the bigger brakes?

[Slain]

nico how bout a price on the braces?

good topic resin, im currently debating 5 stud conversion or get dba discs instead

[CeffyNSW]

Hi guys

If eventually I want to go to RB25, what brake set up is the minimum? Ie will R32 be OK with 280mm rotos and 4 spot calipers on the front?

[RiverSide]

I would suggest the R32/300zx brake upgrade for the front........in which case you can either change the hubs to obtain the 5 studs OR have the new R32/300zx discs re-drilled to 4 stud to maintain your current stud pattern and wheels. (note wheel offset may be an issue with the arger calipers, bolt on spacers sort that issue out though)

[dangerous_daveo]

Just with the redrilling of disks, nothing safty wise as if you get it done properly theres no probs with it.

However, I noticed on one of my DBA disks (dont ask why one, I dont know) but it was lets say a multi stud disk, I could have put it on my skyline hubs, or say S13/A31 hubs. It didnt need redrilling. So maybe just look at getting the calipers, and see what DBA can do? BTW the slotted rotors and a decent pad make a HUGE difference.

[someonestolecc]

I think the cylinder and booster are the same.

I didn't do the changeover so I'm not sure. I think it was done in JP.

[CeffyNSW]

Thanks, Guys

So you wouldn't go to the R33 (300mm rotor diameter) set up? Assume would fit straight on also? Would it make much difference? Bigger rotor and probably thicker, calipers?

[dangerous_daveo]

Thanks, Guys

So you wouldn't go to the R33 (300mm rotor diameter) set up?  Assume would fit straight on also?  Would it make much difference?  Bigger rotor and probably thicker, calipers?

Spend the money on a good set of disks and pads, personnally I think you would get a LOT more gain out of that than a few extra mm on a disk. However if you have money to burn, just go crazy, get GTR Vspec gear, and then do disks and pads on them.

[someonestolecc]

I find my type m r32 discs/rotors with project mu pads are enough to lock up the front wheels at 80-100kmh when on the limit.

I haven't used them sustained on the track however so how and when they fade is another matter.

[too_much_boost]

Thanks, Guys

So you wouldn't go to the R33 (300mm rotor diameter) set up?  Assume would fit straight on also?  Would it make much difference?  Bigger rotor and probably thicker, calipers?

I would definately recommend the R33 296mm rotors and calipers over the R32 280mm rotors and calipers. It all depends what you can find though.

The rotors are the same thickness (30mm)

They both take the same pads

[CeffyNSW]

Thanks for all the advice guys.

Sounds like R32 is great, R33 a little better!