Aftermarket computer

[JRC GTS-X]

I have an R31 GTS-X turbo import and was wanting to install an aftermarket computer. The car has an RB20T engine with mods. Which would be the best for my car?

[FATGTS-R]

Can I ask what RB20 is in there? RB20ET or DET NICS. RB20DET ECCS red top or an RB20 DET silver top?

As if you have one of the very early RB20s it might be more feasible to upgrade the engine instead of slapping a/m ecu on one of the old ones.

As depending how long you have had the car for, if its an older one you will have experienced the major headaches involved in finding parts.

As an example I have the ECCS red top and waited 3 weeks for something as simple as an inlet manifold gasket.

In regards to ecu I run an Autronic SMC and have had no dramas at all.

[N I B]

The new R31 Wolf plugin has 6 ignition outputs so it will work on the twin cam and single cam motors.0398735400 Ring Steve or Martin at EFI Hardware in vic for details.They have Wolf and the new C66 Hawk ECUs.

[darkhalf]

its probably NICS redtop... depends what year, otherwise its ECCS redtop

arrrgh cant want until my software is finished so you wont need to bother with spending $$$ on aftermarket only to have to retune most of it just to get it running properly.

all the R31/VLT factory ECUs are easily tunable. i got the realtime tuning part finished, just the maptracing and realtime diagnostics display part i gotta finish off

[oscar32]

I've got a Wolf 3d and its great. Drivability actually got better, but its all in the hands of the tuner.

As long as the tuner knows whatever system they are tuning, it appears people are happy with the results. I picked up around 60hp (ballpark people) or so. I had modifications before the tuning, and its noticably faster to drive, and has a LOT more throttle response.

[dazmo]

I have an R31 GTS-X turbo import and was wanting to install an aftermarket computer. The car has an RB20T engine with mods. Which would be the best for my car?

I own an r31 that i have converted to niccs silver top motor (r32) but befor I did the engine conversion I had chip torque re chip the factory ecu With a duel stage chip that is controlled by a toggle switch and has settings for 14psi & 18psion 18psi with a 3" exhaust, heighflowed factory turbo, fmi & 1 extra vl fuel pump mounted in line the car made 230hp@the wheels. I have this ecu for saleI want $350 for it (The chip cost mearound $1000 including dyno time) Obviously a stand alone aftermarket ecu will be alot more flexable and a better option for the long term but this ecu may suit you depending on mod's ect and would be quite a cheapa alternetive depending on plans for future mods.

[JRC GTS-X]

Can I ask what RB20 is in there? RB20ET or DET NICS.  RB20DET ECCS red top or an RB20 DET silver top?

As if you have one of the very early RB20s it might be more feasible to upgrade the engine instead of slapping a/m ecu on one of the old ones.

As depending how long you have had the car for, if its an older one you will have experienced the major headaches involved in finding parts.

As an example I have the ECCS red top and waited 3 weeks for something as simple as an inlet manifold gasket.

In regards to ecu I run an Autronic SMC and have had no dramas at all.

Thanks for the reply, I have the RB20DET NICS (red rocket cover) motor in the car (motor has only done 118,000 km) - the car produces 150rwkw. I was wanting to get the car up to 200rwkw by doing a few bits and peices like; computer, throttle body, etc

[JRC GTS-X]

its probably NICS redtop... depends what year, otherwise its ECCS redtop

arrrgh cant want until my software is finished so you wont need to bother with spending $$$ on aftermarket only to have to retune most of it just to get it running properly.  

all the R31/VLT factory ECUs are easily tunable. i got the realtime tuning part finished, just the maptracing and realtime diagnostics display part i gotta finish off

Thanks for the reply - Tell me whether this is true or not - my mechanic tells me that the computer in my car RB20DET NICS (red rocket cover) isnt tunable - i.e. you can not remap it or tweak it up>??

[JRC GTS-X]

I own an r31 that i have converted to niccs silver top motor (r32) but befor I did the engine conversion I had chip torque re chip the factory ecu With a duel stage chip that is controlled by a toggle switch and has settings for 14psi & 18psion 18psi with a 3" exhaust, heighflowed factory turbo, fmi & 1 extra vl fuel pump mounted in line the car made 230hp@the wheels. I  have this ecu for saleI want $350 for it (The chip cost mearound $1000 including dyno time) Obviously a stand alone aftermarket ecu will be alot more flexable and a better option for the long term but this ecu may suit you depending on mod's ect and would be quite a cheapa alternetive depending on plans for future mods.

As my engine is a RB20DET NICS - will the R32 computer be able to be installed into my car without any hassels, i.e. is it compatable, can i install it to my car?

[aKTiVE]

i have a silver top RB20DET (r32 skyline)

I run a Link Replacement ECU.

I am quite happy with it, its simple and i have not had tuners knock me back because they dont know how to tune it.

My other friends with RB20DETs either run PowerFCs or chipped factory ECUs. The PowerFC also works great (obviously... but $$$)

What i dont like about link, is the hand controller has a really crappy single line layout, whereas the PowerFC and Wolf give you heaps of information on 1 screen on the controller. The other BIG difference is... Link = MAP and PFC = AFM.... to me i dont really see what the benefits are with running an Air Flow Meter, problem determination would be better probably with an AFM, but generally, my friends that still run Air Flow Meters, their cars react badly if they either have an aftermarket bov, or run no bov at all... they have to run a plumb back.

I have a close friend with an R33, quite modified with a Wolf ecu... i would never purchase a Wolf ecu. He kept having to retune the car every couple of months or so... as if the computer 'lost' its tune... ecu's shouldnt do that, anyway, his engine ended up blowing, and no 'decent' engine builder/tuner would touch it because it had wolf ecu... so he sold the wolf, bought a PowerFC, the engine was built, and its going strong !

So.

If cash is an issue... chip the standard ECU, it does the job just ensure its a decent chip.

I can vouch for Link being a decent ECU if tuned well

I can vouch for PowerFC being a decent ECU if tuned well.

(all my tuning is done at Amberley Autos in Melbourne...)

[JRC GTS-X]

i have a silver top RB20DET (r32 skyline)

I run a Link Replacement ECU.

I am quite happy with it, its simple and i have not had tuners knock me back because they dont know how to tune it.

My other friends with RB20DETs either run PowerFCs or chipped factory ECUs.  The PowerFC also works great (obviously... but $$$)

What i dont like about link, is the hand controller has a really crappy single line layout, whereas the PowerFC and Wolf give you heaps of information on 1 screen on the controller.  The other BIG difference is... Link = MAP and PFC = AFM.... to me i dont really see what the benefits are with running an Air Flow Meter, problem determination would be better probably with an AFM, but generally, my friends that still run Air Flow Meters, their cars react badly if they either have an aftermarket bov, or run no bov at all... they have to run a plumb back.

I have a close friend with an R33, quite modified with a Wolf ecu... i would never purchase a Wolf ecu.  He kept having to retune the car every couple of months or so... as if the computer 'lost' its tune... ecu's shouldnt do that, anyway, his engine ended up blowing, and no 'decent' engine builder/tuner would touch it because it had wolf ecu... so he sold the wolf, bought a PowerFC, the engine was built, and its going strong !

So.

If cash is an issue... chip the standard ECU, it does the job just ensure its a decent chip.

I can vouch for Link being a decent ECU if tuned well

I can vouch for PowerFC being a decent ECU if tuned well.

(all my tuning is done at Amberley Autos in Melbourne...)

Thanks for the reply - just a quick question - which chip would you recomend if you know of any - and who would you recomend to get the job done right?

[aKTiVE]

heh my friends had chips, but they were time-bomb chips so i wont mention where they were from.

Just go to a specialist like Chiptorque or something... or even a mechanic with a high reputation in tuning Nissans.

I can suggest

Amberley Autos in Dandenong

ProTek in Thomastown

[HR31_RB20DET]

Thanks for the reply, I have the RB20DET NICS (red rocket cover) motor in the car (motor has only done 118,000 km) - the car produces 150rwkw. I was wanting to get the car up to 200rwkw by doing a few bits and peices like; computer, throttle body, etc

I'm just interested in what mods do you have to produce the 150rwkw ????????

[rsx84]

red top nics 150rwkw, nice, what about a piggy back system apexi SAFC or something, as you might find limited places with nics tuning experince. m2c.....

[JRC GTS-X]

red top nics 150rwkw, nice, what about a piggy back system apexi SAFC or something, as you might find limited places with nics tuning experince. m2c.....

um well 2.5inch mandral bent exhaust from manifold, 3inch dumpi pipe, high flow cat, 3.5inch stainless steel muffler, 400hp bosh fuel pump, T03 high flow turbo, type 3 bov, huge hybrid front mount cooler with 3inch piping, massive K & N cold air intake filter (300mm), 15psi boost, R32 gerabox, clutch, flywheel, LSD - um i guess thats about it as far as the mods to the engine goes - put it this way the car goes very nicely - but there is always room for improvement.

[JRC GTS-X]

I'm just interested in what mods do you have to produce the 150rwkw ????????

um well 2.5inch mandral bent exhaust from manifold, 3inch dumpi pipe, high flow cat, 3.5inch stainless steel muffler, 400hp bosh fuel pump, T03 high flow turbo, type 3 bov, huge hybrid front mount cooler with 3inch piping, massive K & N cold air intake filter (300mm), 15psi boost, R32 gerabox, clutch, flywheel, LSD - um i guess thats about it as far as the mods to the engine goes - put it this way the car goes very nicely - but there is always room for improvement.

[rsx84]

and your still running the stock NICS ecu, if you don't go piggy back then try this as an option ???? www.slidewizeimports.com/tunedbyDrDrift.html

[R31Nismoid]

Thanks for the reply, I have the RB20DET NICS (red rocket cover) motor in the car (motor has only done 118,000 km) - the car produces 150rwkw. I was wanting to get the car up to 200rwkw by doing a few bits and peices like; computer, throttle body, etc

You've got the worst RB20DET the came from Nissan so its a lot of effort to get to 200rwkw.

You'll need a decent turbo (not just the RB25 one or a high flow)

And an ECU, which is the most important... my bet would be the Wolf as Steve (NIB) said as PFC does not exist for the NICS motor from memory.

Best bet is to talk to a few places to get an idea of what they think will net you 200rwkw as its not the easiest of tasks. It can be done, but like all things everything can be done with $$$

[Angry]

ditch the nicks and invest in a silvertop ..u;ll better 200rwkw with ease with them perpherials .....well maybe not the turbo ..something bigger would b the go

intersting info on the plug in R31 wolf3d ecu's ....sounds good

Matt

[R31Nismoid]

get an RB25 and you'll just about get there with a stock turbo