Suspension Setup - Drifting

[Baz]

Just wondering what would be the best way to set up a car for drifting? I'm guessing things such as adjustable coilovers and front/rear strut tower bars help but what else would be the best way to set up a car for drifting for a person who accepts nothing less than the best :wassup:

Cheers,

[Greg]

Adjustable swaybars

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[(B1) MR_fanny]

ud rather get swaybars that strut bars....then some pineapples, camber kit, castor rods, coil overs, 2way lsd, sump baffle plate, oh and one of those hand brake lock button thingys:D:D these are the first things that come to my head.

[Nebuchernezzer]

Dunno about swaybars, drift coilovers are so stiff your car isn't likely to roll anyways, but it will need some good bracing once it is that stiff. Good LSD is a must to. Castor is very welcome, camber is handy to but castor is better.

[Baz]

What exactly makes up a good LSD? How exactly is an aftermarket LSD different from say the stock Skyline one? Also what is the difference between two-way and three-way LSD?

[Nebuchernezzer]

Although i'm sure alot of people drift on a viscous LSD i'm told (since i've only ever used a mechanical) that the take up of the diff (ie when it's going from open to locked) is a little laggy, also the diff can heat up alot and render the viscous pack useless, so you'll have an open diff again until it cools down (so i'm told).

A good LSD is somthing like a 1.5 way (locks up easily under accelleration and half as easily under braking loads) or a 2 way (locks up just as easily under accel and braking). I dunno what a 3 way is...

There are a few other types of LSD but mechanical clutch pack type diffs are the go for drifting.

[Lazy-Bastard]

remove the HICAS!

[Blade]

buy some Kei-office coilovers

[daler32]

i just got cusco coilovers and sum kind of a locked diff*dunno wat it is locks under power but freewheels wen coasting/decelerating came with the car ) and it likes to go sideways as soon as a bit of boost comes on. makes for sum hairy moments in the wet

[Sydneykid]

For drifting you need a 2 way, you want to start the drift without power on. So you need the diff "locked" under brakes (hand or foot). I strongly suggest adjustable stabiliser bars, you can't easily change the springs rates for more or less traction (front and rear). You need adjustability for the different conditions. Adj stabiliser bars are the easiest way to adjust the front and rear slip angles.

[treo]

Hey gotboost, Ive been setting up my r33 for drift. I would have to agree with sydney kid about power, it would be better to learn with less than more. First thing i would be to get a 2way mechanical type lsd, i got a tomei type which is very user friendly, doesnt clunk everywhere. then a thick rear sway bar you will be able to feel a huge difference. Suspension would be my other top priority, dont just look at at jap brands koni's and other brands you can rebuild easily and are easily revalved to suit your needs. Subframe bushes are a plus if your rear end is still feeling unstable and a hicas lock kit. Strut braces if you ask me are a bit of a wank till you do all the rest first, the re4ally dont feel much different. So do things like front castor rods next and front sway bar. Tie rod ends or steering spacers are good to give you that little bit extra lock out of corners, could also get some adjustable upper control arms as skylines have double wishbone suspension so adjustable pillowball mount strut tops arent effective. How big is the wallet, roll cage, seam welded chassis, the list goes on

[(B1) MR_fanny]

For drifting you need a 2 way, you want to start the drift without power on.  

i think sydkid means that ideally you want to start the drift by breaking traction through breaks/handbreak at the entry to a corner rather than breaking traction through boost at entry. this is where the 2way diff comes in as it helps do that through breaking.

[Trust33]

B1Fanny so the diff is locked when under decelleration and locked under acceleration,giving wheelspin/traction loss,either way.

[PRO_32]

just weld your diff locked. same as a tight 2 way costs 100$ not 2000$

[(B1) MR_fanny]

B1Fanny so the diff is locked when under decelleration and locked under acceleration,giving wheelspin/traction loss,either way.

thats my understanding. eliminates that tail snap when u take your foot off the gass with the normal diff so you can continue the drift around the corner, get off the gas and down gear and continue on your merry way.

[Trust33]

Muhahahaha.

[Baz]

Does anyone know how good the original R32 Skyline LSD is?

Also does anyone know where you can buy adjustable swaybars for the R32?

[Steve]

Does anyone know how good the original R32 Skyline LSD is?

Also does anyone know where you can buy adjustable swaybars for the R32?

Original LSD, forget it. Bite the bullet and get a 2 way - huge difference to predictablility and control when the back end is out.

Whiteline make adjustable sway bars.

LOCK THE HICAS - a must.

Get some castor happening, adjustable rods arent too expensive, or bushes if you are on a budget.

Good coilovers (Tein, Kei office, Tanabe, Silk Road, etc). Make sure you buy them with spring rates suited to drift for best results.

Drift button.

Pineapples and/or hardmount cradle bushes.

Good brake pads, front and rear.

You may need to replace some of the stock bushes if they are tired/worn.

Your car will handle like a weapon

If you are planning extended thrash sessions, consider a good oil cooler as well.

There are alot of other mods you can do, that will all help improve steering response, feedback and handling generally, be prepared to put a huge hole in the bank account if you want to do the works.

Other things that are worth the trouble, IMHO, is mission mount, strut braces, aftermarket camber and toe adjust, and rack ends.

There are a few things to consider in all, remember you dont need them all at once - personally I would start with diff and hicas lock then go from there

[Baz]

Aren't LSD's really expensive? Is there anywhere you would recommend where I could buy one from or a particular brand I could source?

[fatz]

locked diffs are cheap but can stuff you up when drifting.. mid corner if you have to adjust your line the locked diff make its hard

my tip is adjustable castor (max) and about 6 deg of neg camber and some rspec front tyres) makes the change of direction very easy at high speed and thats what you want

2 way lsd will help

then practice