SydneyKid & Others - Suspension & Car Choice - ELEANOR Mustang or GTR AC COBRA?

[meshmesh]

Heya all, Don't start!! Yes I still haven't decided what to get I've been very quiet since selling the GTR some months ago .. and have been close to spending some major time in a physc hospital trying to find another car.. I think were close to making a decision.

Basically everycar we've thought about just doesn't comes close to a GTR, then we swayed a little and started looking at F150 Lightnings, XR6T's FPV GT's, LS2 Monaro's, Supercharging a CLK55, M3's, 993TT, and even a Hummer but bugger that driving a 4.5tonne truck as a daily driver.. So finally well "for now anyway" I think the two that tickle our fancy are:

1. 67/68 Fastback Mustang "a full ground up" using the original cinema vehicles ELEANOR kit, from Gone in 60secs.

2. 4WD AC Cobra Replica using R32 GTR running gear.

3. R34 GTR "prefer a NUR Spec" but just can't justify 100K on an jap import...

Here's the problem;

1. The Mustang: well we're looking at at least a low 12 high 11sec street car, "daily or every second day" driver. This would equate to around 450-500hp. But old mustangs just don't handle. An aussie company called www.rrs-online.com make suspension packages for them but really wanted SydneyKid's or others opinion on handling options. Another option we're thinking is fitting traction control from www.racelogic.co.uk

2. The Cobra: Since Jan1 2005, the laws for emission etc have moved onto Euro 2004 or something. Luckily though, we just got in with an engineer who registered us in late december which means we can use some older types engines... BUT NOT an RB26DETT?? unless it's on gas. So were thinking Lexus 4.0 V8, Supra TT (dunno about it passing emissions), or BA XR6T, hooked up to the gtr box and gear. With the help from the boys at ICE Performance, we have the donor car R32GTR, we have the engineer who's finally worked out the chassis design for us, but after speaking to some revs head mates they reckon COBRA's don't handle? however the GTR 4wd will help, but the cobra will still lack some corner grip? Any Idea's SK?

3. R34 GTR, hmmm goes without saying. But just wanted to be a little different and go for the NUR spec, can't justify the 100K for a NUR spec and an everyday R34 GTR, is just a "tiny, very minute, about the size of a bees d!ck" boring.

4. We forget the R34 and just build both the cobra and eleanor? though the eleanor is the preffered option... but handling is the concern for both mainly the stang.

Cheers

mesh

[Silver-Arrowz]

Forget traction control and 4WD with the 'stang and the Cobra. I reckon it's more fun to drive hi powered/torque crazy RWD cars. Adding things like traction control and 4WD to them, you lose the soul of those types of cars... call me old skool but hey. It's like removing the 4WD from a GTR into 2WD. It's just not the same driving experience.

I've read somewhere too that the original Cobra's handles crap. But kit cars would have different suspension setups etc... so they may handle better???? If handling is your thing then go the Lotus 7 replica's.

Go Eleanor I say. Kit cars will vary so much on how you put it together. It could come out good, it could come out crap. With Eleanor it's pretty much all there ready to go.

[Nismo_Boy]

1. 67/68 Fastback Mustang "a full ground up" using the original cinema vehicles ELEANOR kit, from Gone in 60secs.

Will the mustang be built by the mob in the States who have the rights to the name and kit? Or will it be built here in Australia?

I believe if you bought one of these genuine "Eleanor's" From the states... You wont have any handling problems, nor performnace problems.

I have since forgotten the name of the company, but a quick google search should bring it up. These cars I'm talking about are also re vin'd by Shelby, and are/will be on the Shelby world register.

[Nismo_Boy]

http://www.uniqueperformance.com are the guys in the states who have the rights to build these re-vin'd Shelby Eleanor's.

Hope it's some what usful info.

[meshmesh]

Will the mustang be built by the mob in the States who have the rights to the name and kit? Or will it be built here in Australia?  

I believe if you bought one of these genuine "Eleanor's" From the states... You wont have any handling problems, nor performnace problems.

I have since forgotten the name of the company, but a quick goggle search should bring it up. These cars I'm talking about are also re vin'd by Shelby, and are/will be on the Shelby world register.

First, lets clarify something... the original creators of ELEANOR was obviously designed for the movie Gone in 60sec by www.cinemavehicles.com . they now reproduce the kits for 67/68 stangs. The mob your talking about is http://www.uniqueperformance.com/ "owned or partially owned" by Carrol Shelby who now are producing a limited number "around 200" ELEANOR clones stamped with the authentic shelby name... these will be starting at around AU $180K for the base 300hp model.

Naturally we've sourced the kit and package from the US... however the TotalControlProducts suspension package has been recalled for major faults and the company has also fallen into receivership and is now owned by some other mob recreating the suspension. So basically the car will be built from scratch here in local cheltenham/melbourne. Another note there's a mob in Sydney who call themselves eleanor australia, who'll be building complete turnkey cars for $180K AU... :confused: ..

[Snowman]

Simon. re: Mustang.

There is a guy in Vic by the name of Mark Tierny who has a serious Stang. Including things like a Holinger Sequential Gearbox. And it's fast. And sounds amazing! Has done some laps around Sandown around the 1.23s mark. Apparently James knows him and he's a nice guy. He's also the Oz distributer for the Elf Racing fuels. Perhaps you could give him a buzz and see what he has to say??

His details can be found on his website:

http://www.racefuels.com.au/contactRacingFuels.asp

[meshmesh]

Hey Andrew, Thanks for that.

[Roy]

I have been in a neighbours 65 and 67 Mustang and from the passenger seat they felt nice. Susp felt tight and seeemd to handle really nicely. Now he is a Ford nut and his cars are all primo...so that may come into it. How the thing grips/handles when going balls to the wall????

He actually has a genuine LHD GT350, it must be worth a fortune. I understand why he never let it out from undercover let alone take me for a drive:(

Looking at Appendix J (Are they still called that?) Historic Tourers the Mustangs and Camaros punch out some credible lap times. So many aftermarket parts mean you can go a long way to making anything handle, even if it does have XP Falcon suspension:) (well at least i think the 65s do, not so sure about 67s)

Id say go the Mustang, modern shocks/coils and tyres, you can make the thing handle well enough that it you can enjoy the tunes from the 8 and driving such an awesome car.

R34 GTR, sure id love one, but give me a classic muscle car with some modern know how thrown at it :whackit:

Happy shopping...all the options sound tasty:)

[GTRgeoff]

What can I say Simon. Eleanor!!!

[Binky1970]

go to www.justmustangs.com.au and jump on the forum, those guys should be able to answer a lot of your questions.

[Bass Junky]

First of all I have the following to say.

U suck balls. The options you give yourself are not only far too difficult, they make us drool and turn to mush just trying to weight up the options.

Second.

Eleanor. No question.

[stolly]

'Daily or every second daily driver' - Have you sat in a Cobra? hope you're under 5 foot tall, not really a daily driver is it? You might as well get one of the new Elfin Clubmans - would be about as practical! GEN3 V8, Tremec 6 Speed, Fully adjustable suspension, big brakes etc etc, 0-100 in 4.4. Obviously I haven't driven one (and probably won't ever drive one!), but apparantely they are awesome handling cars.

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Get Elanoar.

[Binky1970]

Having owned a mustang I can say that most mustang owners don't really care for the Eleanor mustang, it is thought of as a 'riced up" mustang and wouldn't hold its value like a genuine GT500 or BOSS. Having said that get the Cobra

[Snowman]

Simon - what about a Shelby Daytona? This one just finished 6th outright in the Mt Buller Spint. Certainly a very cool car!

[godzla32]

ELANOR all the way that car looks horn..

What would a replica cost?

There was one at a for vs holden show that fullbost had on there website..

[funkymonkey]

hey Simon, we found this lil rocket in japan and chucked it on our mailing list... might give you some ideas...

http://www.j-spec.com.au/list/index.php?ID=1654

I agree with what Blinky said... you'll be surprised how much a true Mustang affectionado values a "Elanor Mustang". Better Shelby's that I can think of that are worth buying would be Shelby GT350 (even rarer is the version they made for Hertz, only 1001 in the world) or a Shelby GT500 KR. I'd personally get a Mach or a Boss over a Shelby though.. Hehehe can you tell that my dad owned a stang?

Back at work, we've had clients for example who want the 35th anniversary Mustang... apparently its a collectors edition. We've also had a client turn down a 1970 Boss 429 simply because the engine was not the original one that came in the car... besides the fact that this car was like the bee-knees of Mustangs.

Here's one for you that you wouldn't suspect:

http://www.j-spec.com.au/list/index.php?ID=1905

a cadillac allante convertible... one of 200 made in the world... auto hardtop convertible and a cadillac in one

[funkymonkey]

something that would be within your budget...

http://page12.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/p8433531

GT40 replica built in 1980 with a Edelbrock engine, right hand drive and built for race use.

Yours for 6.9 million yen (86,152.67 AUD)

[meshmesh]

Hey Shan, thanks for the link, the only reason we thought cobra, was to have it running a GTR4WD setup & engine. Otherwise, not really keen on it. Funny you say a GT500KR, I found one the other day, put in my offer and just an email this morning from Bob Eliezer, saying it was sold 2weeks...

http://www.shelbymustang.com/cars/1968_she..._pictures.shtml

PS: US$56K... Bit of a bargain I reckon, considering they fetch well over US$120 no problems.

As far as the hertz version, a black and gold one sold for AU$140K, not that long ago.. but then, I would have to have "stupid/or sultan of brunai" written on my head if it was going use it as a daily driver.

Snowwy, :spew: each to their own, but sorry mate thay just dont do it for me! the misses is already freaking out how I could even consider a cobra which she calls a "gogo mobile", and says the stang is a MUZZA Mobile?? go figure!! I think she spend too much time watching Dr Phil.

[knore]

get the supercharged version of the ariel atom :burnout:

[Ronin 09]

you know you want the 34GTR... or you can buy my 32GTR off me and I'll get the 34GTR...

or 993 RSCS mmm

otherwise go the 'Stang