Police and Licences

[limmyR33]

im not sure if this is in the right section....

hey all i was just wondering.....

can the 'police officers'(in syd) know the status of ur licence by looking at ur plates of ur car??

i mean if so what can they see about u, does it have a picture of u on their lappys that they have on board on their patrol cars? or does it have just written details???

im curious cuz my friend was pulled over and they knew who he was w/o even asking his name??

did they just assume that it was him or does it have a picture on the screen when they type in ur details??

if anyone has more info?? feeback will be greatly appreciated

[igor]

I dont know this for a fact but:

They can get rego details from their laptops. I dont see why they wouldnt they be able to pull up a photo of the registered driver based on that as well. This does not guarantee that that person is driving at a time though. If your name is not whom the car is registered to then there is no way they can look it up.

[wreckedhead]

just to add to this, they cant see pictures of the driver, they know if your licence is suspended and they can find out every fine that you have recieved in the last 5 years, and basically any other information they need is o their compter except photos

[Blitz]

They would have assumed your friend was the registered owner of the car.

[timbar32]

They would have assumed your friend was the registered owner of the car.

Exactly. They don't have esp to know who is driving the car at any particular time.......

[Tracka]

unfortunatly some of the information posted above is incorrect.

here we go..... (talking abt NSW here)

when a 'transport' (rego check) is done via police radio any intell reports, events or warnings related to the vehicle stored on COPS (Computerised Operational Policing System) comes up straight away. this intell is basically information about any contact police have had with the car and persons linked to it or other things like sus activity and the like.

so, if the driver has been pulled over in the past, his information will be on the screen. then, its just one click away from his licence status. most of the time when you come into contact with police they enter a description into the computer about you. (hair, tattoo's etc) along with all offence details. (if u get pulled over by police, don't bother telling stories/lying you will only cause more headaches for yourself)

Next, (something you wont like) The Mark 2 MDT (Mobile Data terminals) fitted to many police vehicles show the owners licence details when a transport(rego check) is done on the car. it can also view ICOPS and RTA drivers licence photo's. (ICOPS photos are pics taken after you have been arrested )

also wreckedhead, it is not limited to 5 years. I have seen information/charges right back to the early 90's.

something else that will be VERY handy will be trialed mid 2005. it is a vehicle mounted camera system that takes a photo of a vehicle registration plate and within SECONDS alerts if the vehicle is unregistered or the owner of the car does not have a current/valid licence. A second police vehicle up the road will receive this data and stop/pull over the car.

trials of this gear in canberra have proved that a LARGE parking lot is needed to park all the cars after they are picked up. so, expect to see these units parked on the side of major roads near you very soon.

[siksII]

hey tracka, just wondering where u get all this info from..?

[Tracka]

hey tracka, just wondering where u get all this info from..?

mmm, the grapevine

[Tracka]

hey tracka, just wondering where u get all this info from..?

ummm, many ways. does it really matter ?

[DezertEagle]

ummm, many ways. does it really matter ?

LOL

My 2c I heard from a friend of a friend (you all know how it goes)

That they don't get the information up on their laptop, they have to radio back in to the station to seek the information and send it back to them.

A simple version of it all, but I think that's the correst principle.

[Tracka]

LOL

My 2c I heard from a friend of a friend (you all know how it goes)

That they don't get the information up on their laptop, they have to radio back in to the station to seek the information and send it back to them.

A simple version of it all, but I think that's the correst principle.

nope, incorrect.

police mobile and portable units communicate (i.e get jobs, do checks etc) via VKG (police radio). not their station.

98% of the VKG operators are not actual police officers. they are classed as 'unsworn' officers.

the is no 'laptop' in the cars. it is called a MDT. some of the Mk2 mdt units are touch screen and the others have a keyboard and conventional LCD screen. the actual computer unit is located in the boot.

[benm]

That they don't get the information up on their laptop, they have to radio back in to the station to seek the information and send it back to them.

I believe it was like this up until about mid 2004 when they all got the computer systems fitted in the cars.

[siksII]

ummm, many ways. does it really matter ?

i was just wondering, and i hear a lot of things about how police work from people that is sometimes hard to believe, (not reffering to you but u know what i mean..) so i was just wondering where u know all this stuff from you sound pretty certain about it all...

[Jordan]

Are Police scanners still viable in NSW or has everything gone digital/encripted now with the MDT datastream? I believe only the local police stations back channels stay unencripted since it itsnt info sent thru the network.

Last interesting thing I heard on my scanner was the Marrickville Station getting a unit to do a KFC run before going back to base

[benm]

Yup you can still hear them on a scanner. Always interesting in the local 'bad' areas on a fri/sat nite.

[Tracka]

Are Police scanners still viable in NSW or has everything gone digital/encripted now with the MDT datastream? I believe only the local police stations back channels stay unencripted since it itsnt info sent thru the network.

Last interesting thing I heard on my scanner was the Marrickville Station getting a unit to do a KFC run before going back to base

only a few channels have gone digital. NONE of the digital or analogue channels are encrypted and wont be for several years. (budget and coverage issues) [there are however tests underway for encryption.]

the radio system is totally seperate to the MDT(data) setup. (MDT's use telstra fleetcoms and telstra Data)

you can buy a digital scanner that will receive all the digital channels for under $800 ir $1500 for a 2nd hand Motorola XTS3000 portable (identical to the NSWP radios)

99% of police portable's do not have the DES-OFB or DES-XL encryption board installed. (OFB for digital and XL for analogue). only specialist units (SPG, OSG, drugs squad etc) are fitted with them. if you want to use encryption for a operation you need to request some additional radios. not really much point running encryption anyway as half the channels in Zone 3 on police radios are not listed in frequency guides and run digital, so 99.9% of people dont know they even exist or have the ability to listen to them)

[limmyR33]

unfortunatly some of the information posted above is incorrect.

here we go.....  (talking abt NSW here)

when a 'transport' (rego check) is done via police radio any intell reports, events or warnings related to the vehicle stored on COPS (Computerised Operational Policing System) comes up straight away. this intell is basically information about any contact police have had with the car and persons linked to it or other things like sus activity and the like.  

so, if the driver has been pulled over in the past, his information will be on the screen. then, its just one click away from his licence status. most of the time when you come into contact with police they enter a description into the computer about you. (hair, tattoo's etc) along with all offence details. (if u get pulled over by police, don't bother telling stories/lying you will only cause more headaches for yourself)

Next, (something you wont like)  The Mark 2 MDT (Mobile Data terminals) fitted to many police vehicles show the owners licence details when a transport(rego check) is done on the car. it can also view ICOPS and RTA drivers licence photo's.   (ICOPS photos are pics taken after you have been arrested )  

also wreckedhead, it is not limited to 5 years.  I have seen information/charges right back to the early 90's.  

something else that will be VERY handy will be trialed mid 2005.   it is a vehicle mounted camera system that takes a photo of a vehicle registration plate and within SECONDS alerts if the vehicle is unregistered or the owner of the car does not have a current/valid licence. A second police vehicle up the road will receive this data and stop/pull over the car.  

trials of this gear in canberra have proved that a LARGE parking lot is needed to park all the cars after they are picked up.  so, expect to see these units parked on the side of major roads near you very soon.

so the police officers can see what u look like b4 they approach the car?? with the new mk2 MDT????? are u sure ??? i mean i thought that they couldnt??

[MYSTR33]

hahaha LimmYR33 you sound like your in the same boat as me mate, lost your license and trying to use your mates one, hahah i'm asian so i'm willing to risk it(wont get it back till july) us asian all look the same don't we? lol in this situation i wish we did LOL... well my gf think i look like the guy? even the guys mum say we look a like so i guess i can pass for him with a yobbo cop? ahaha

[RB30-POWER]

I wonder how many copper abuse these systems, looking for information for personal matters etc etc

Scumbags....

[Tracka]

so the police officers can see what u look like b4 they approach the car?? with the new mk2 MDT????? are u sure ??? i mean i thought that they couldnt??

yep, I'm SURE.

I dug up some info for you guys

http://www.oit.nsw.gov.au/content/6.1.1.5.MDS.asp

here is a pic of the old MK1 unit (also the non digital Motorola spectra radio mic)

by the looks of the posts above a few seem to doupt what I am saying. so, if I can dig up a copy of a review done around 6 months ago in the NSW police news (NSWP Assoc Journal) on MDT's I will scan it in and post it up. if I can't find it, its just unlucky.

RB30-Power, in response to your post about officers looking up people that they are not supposed to. there is a section of the IT branch that is responsible for auditing the system. they can, and do rock up and ask you why you did a check on a persons details/vehicle etc. So, best practice is to jot down in your diary why you performed the inquiry. (everything is logged, they can look at your name on the computer and access everybody's registered number and time/date, method of enquiry etc. a 'registered number' is a police officers personal id number.

P.S apart from the article (if i can find it), I won't be posting any further info in the thread. Ive given plenty of info already.